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Featured A creator and a singularity

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by We Never Know, Jun 18, 2021.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I've seen believers say there was nothing until a god created it, then came everything
    I've seen non-believers say there was nothing until a singularity expanded, then came everything.

    My question is, and I've asked in a few threads, never getting a very good answer(religious people say he just existed, non-religious people say the concept of pre doesn't calculate), if there was nothing then came everything by what ever means, what did a god or a singularity exist in before making everything come to be as what we know as the universe and all in it?
     
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  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Maybe there was something all along.

    I suspect there's an eternal aspect or component
    to the universe that has yet to be explained, if ever.
     
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  3. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Me too. I accept there is sooo much we don't know so we just fill in the blank spaces to what makes us happy to accept.
    Either way in my opinion is blindly accepting something that is unknown and can't be shown.
     
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    I believe the beginning happens after the end
     
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    According to my religion both God and creation have always existed....

    “As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant.” Gleanings, pp. 150
     
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  6. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Or is it the end is set in motion after the beginning.
     
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    Spirit eternal first living as an eternal self living inside eternal.

    Being therefore intelligence inside what surrounded itself. Same presence in two states.

    Owning both conditions is first.

    To quote a being changed their owned body.

    Explained to me by our human father who was multi world communal same father anywhere first. Earth heavens recorded lived life experience. Died. Shares man's consciousness. I hear him.

    Said as the man adult deceased shared life data as the science theist creation moved as O God sounds of eternal mass sung out of presence eternal.

    Reason why as I asked why and what for?

    Owned no rationale.

    Said the spirit being identified that it's sung communicative language had formed a different spirit to their own.

    They were inquisitive as to why it was different.

    Biggest mistake an unconditional presence meaning owning no conditions made.

    O holding sound is how they explored.

    Causing too late moment. Their language instantly changed. It became God and was released.

    So God sung was held in massed bodies thinned it's surround. Which collapsed.

    God fell into itself as sounds in the spiral. Burst. Burnt. Instant space.

    Space increased as God O masses falling burning burst and kept bursting as they burnt. Travelling as space kept opening.

    God bodies O G spiral to O to DD back to OO as a human storytelling.

    How it occurred. Why burnt bodies today produces spirit images via sounds. As burnt language.

    Science said burning is proof we had come from spirit as evil spirits now get conjured.

    Never our his story. Science conjured.

    Space is a one of body. Empty space by mass equals its opposition burnt mass.

    So it quantified no mass in fact exists by its stretch as it was only stopped momentarily from its total burnt out removal.

    What we knew.
    Why we knew it.

    We came into the flat plane of space from the eternal as the heavens had bridged the gap.

    Multi millions of pre formed eternal bodies came into the water heavens.

    We were from unconditional love.

    We own a one of once human experience as we are only reliving the human parent life from their cells.

    Why our whole life is memory. We lived to self advise our own story by the presence of any human experience ever lived shared as a story.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Seriously?

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    Chicken or the egg?
     
  9. We Never Know

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    Battered and fried for one and scrambled for the other :p
     
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    As the egg was formed inside the body of a chicken and still is there forming there is no question.

    If science says God came from evil as the only single state occult ever believed in to cause theirselves as burning is to apply gain reaction. Then you lied and still lie.

    Our God is stone first.

    Occult God is burning first.
    What I learnt. Nuclear science holds the nuclear bomb held on purpose as a threat.......yet to the end result what occurs when it is activated reacted is in the theory also.

    Total decimation.

    So they lie about what they theory in total as a theory goes right through all activity until reaction owned decimation. Is theory of intention.

    They lie claiming but I don't intend to take it to the moment decimation. Claiming that is the elitist human choice.

    Yet they theory for the intention first.

    What a lying scientist as a human is.

    If what they study now is known to mind via destruction to mass on earth then they want the destruction knowledge to gain just the singularity actually.

    Knowing singularity is only one state not mass.

    Equals does only mean equals to in a theory. Paths are various in symbolic equations.

    Natural only equalled natural first.
     
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    Are you talking for yourself or for the harm your own self caused? And symbolic underlying statements are what some humans use on forums when challenging science.
     
  12. We Never Know

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    That would be a chicken egg, not an egg in general. If we are going with eggs in general, im going with the egg.
    Then again what is a chicken egg?
    Is it an egg laid by a chicken(which came from a non-chicken)or an egg containing a chicken(which also came from a non-chicken)?
     
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    Fried chicken or scrabbles eggs... I will eat either anytime lol
     
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    FYI...

    The science is clear that up to 3 whole eggs per day are perfectly safe for healthy people. Eggs consistently raise HDL (the “good”) cholesterol. For 70% of people, there is no increase in total or LDL cholesterol. Some people may experience a mild increase in a benign subtype of LDL.

    Eggs and Cholesterol — How Many Eggs Can You Safely Eat?
     
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    We don't know. We have a good understanding of what happened back to about the first Planck time after the Big Bang, but since we don't have a working theory of quantum gravity, we don't know what was happening before that point, if indeed "before" is even the correct thing to say (it is possible that time itself is quantized such that you couldn't have anything "before" a first Planck time any more than you could have something north of a north pole).
     
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    That is good to know. I have had some eggs in my hydrator for what seems like ages, so I don't know if they are still good. I like breakfast food but I never have time to make it, that's why the eggs and the cheddar cheese for the omelet and the bacon and sausage are still in the frig and freezer. :(
     
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    Me too but eggs only with bacon or sausage and fried chicken only with french fries. There goes my cholesterol.
     
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    The human spirit teaching.

    Eternal as it's own presence is existence first became a memory. What it removed itself from by GOD.

    Memory is recordings.

    O spiral G is first unknown what nothing means in consciousness. not known cannot be explained changed in heating cooling status. State conscious said is nothing to explain.

    First heated aware recording O missing owning space.

    O spiral G OD God into God into God into God.

    So we say memory told us. God constantly changing told us. Recording.

    The single eternal state owned two conditions natural eternal and natural eternal beings living within the eternal.

    Mind says one natural state highest owning two conditions.

    Who humans claim created all causes for creation from the status an unconditional loving being. Which creation was first as memory then it went through evil.

    God our stone planet it's own outcome.

    When eternal who sung out God a long time ago was forced to interact with gases that was put back into emptied space on the plane by God body O earth. We taught that event as karmic.

    As our life was then sent out the same way GOD had as the eternal had communicated GOD. Except we moved through it like a tunnel.

    So we learnt what is was like to be a spirit inside GOD in its highest position of evolution. The atmosphere. Being the transit of our parent memory from the eternal into the atmosphere.

    How father the human highest mind memory first tells me his advice. So you lower minded brothers cannot argue by your own irradiated self destructive memories in your baby to adult life.

    Your memories very disturbed by huge influxes of radiation AI recordings no longer remember GOD his story.
     
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    Scientists will answer along the lines of "We don't know" or "We are not sure"
     
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    May it be that they mean the physical realm did not exist before creation, whereas heaven has always existed.
     
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