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Featured A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by NewGuyOnTheBlock, May 31, 2021.

  1. F1fan

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    How would you feel if kids use their critical thinking skill and start questioning the fantastic claims of salvation and other religious ideas?
     
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    These are fringe people and they are anomalies. The majority of experts are not convinced there is any credible evidence to support a literal interpretation of Genesis. Creationists are very clever with their fraud and some people are willing to let this disinformation convince them. It's not an objective approach.

    It seems to me God is doing a terrible job if some believes are confused about reality while experts are not.
     
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    See arxiv.org the wow signal.
     
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    Outside of the 5 books of Moses, Time magazine said it was historical.

    May be testable in the future.
     
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    And now we know. I had a feeling.
     
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    Yet God couldn't;t make a creation that failed and needed to be largely destroyed for a "do over". And of course this didn't fix anything since some time later God had to impregnate a woman and let this child be sacrificed to himself so the sins that plague mankind (due to the Creator setting up A&E to fail in the Garden) would be resolved.

    I think if Christians are going to interpret all these ideas literally they might have to consider that the God is not very competent, or it's simply cruel.

    Really? So God creates diseases and the victims are largely those who had nothing to do with electing people responsible for the Iraq invasion? A competent God would cause a collapse of the Republican Party convention if it wanted to target specific people. But random killing? Let's note that conservatives in the USA are kind of OK with the death count, so why is that?

    Could it be your assessment might not be accurate, as you are framing your God in a very bad light.
     
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    What is that evidence on the flood and creation side that you mention here? What are those easy answers?
     
  8. robocop (actually)

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    There are things that can still be tested. For instance, if the gene pool had a bottleneck, we might later find a sign in the DNA that we haven't yet. Maybe we have with the wow signal at arxiv.org.

    Since the animals would have eaten each other, that may have only God as an explanation.
     
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    Time magazine aren't the publishers that do much in terms of in-depth investigations.

    The books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel are still myths. And though some of Kings are historical, those about Solomon and Elijah are not.

    For instances, we can verify that Ahab of Israel did reign, because of him being mentioned as contemporary to Shalmanesser III (I think), from independent Assyrian sources, but no independent verification to Elijah and other prophets who were associated with Ahab. For examples, there are no mentions of miracles of Elijah, including him being spirited away to heaven in fiery chariot drawn by flying horses.

    This is why the OT Bible isn’t a very reliable source. Whatever historicity the OT have, is marred by unbelievable and unverifiable stories.
     
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    I can believe it on the evidence you just mentioned.
     
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    Link it. Why do people expect others to do their homework?
     
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    There is no universal bottleneck.

    Do you realize that the story of a man waking up in a cheap motel ice filled bathtub missing a kidney is a myth?
     
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    There is no universal bottleneck yet, unless maybe for that link.

    We don't know everything about DNA yet.
     
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    Ah, so once again asking nPeace a simple question proves to be a waste of time.

    I have to wonder why you're so reluctant to answer such simple questions. What are you hiding? What are you afraid might happen if you answer? You should probably ask those questions of yourself if you want to be honest with yourself.
     
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    That was my point . Yes starting with the bible. And yes salvation is fantastic.
     
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    No. Instead, that's a mythical tale that never actually occured.

    Pandemics are part of the natural course of life. This is not the first and it won't be the last.
    Apart from your a priori beliefs and confirmation bias, you also have exactly zero rational reason to think it was "send by god to punish us". And as said, it doesn't even require a "special" explanation, because there is nothing special about this virus at all.

    In fact, humans were able to conquer it by developing a vaccine in less then a year after it first surfaced.
    Your god sucks. If humans would create a virus with the goal of a disrupting pandemic, it would be FAR MORE deadly as well.


    It's not actually. The spanish flu was a lot more devastating.

    Did it? Did it, really?
    I say it didn't. It disrupted the economy a bit, and that's about it.

    Sure, many people died. But in the great scheme of things, it wasn't that many. Far less then with the spanish flu. ENORMOUSLY less then the black plague.

    In reality, the mortality rate of covid is comparable to that of the common flu. The difference is that "herd immunity" of the flu protects many people for whom the flu is dangerous. But the mortality really is about the same: between 2 and 4%

    The main difference between covid and the common flu, is that covid is new and nobody had immunity, which made it spread more easily. That's it.

    The fact is that the vast majority of people who got infected with covid, don't even know it, as they had zero symptoms.

    If your god is responsible for Covid, then color me extremely unimpressed.
    Off course, there is zero reason to think your god is responsible. Or that your god even exists to take credit for anything for that matter....
     
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    We know more then enough to be able to definitely say that there is no such thing as a universal bottleneck.
    Far more then required complete genomes have been sequenced to be able to draw that conclusion.
     
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    We don't know everything the DNA does. We don't know for sure that genetic drift lays out life through time.
     
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    Of course, it would be difficult since genetic drift, radioactive dating and biological features all coincide.
     
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