7 killed in a terror attack in Jerusalem, 2 injured in another attack

[Rachel Rugelach]

I don't know of any Jews that have an open policy of calling for the total annihilation of Palestinians, so in that sense I concede that you have a point to a degree, however it seems to me that bulldozing the homes of Palestinians to make way for Israeli settlers will in practice if not in open policy lead to the eventual annihilation of Palestinians.

Thoughts?

Thank you for noting that difference. Jews are not Nazis (although I have seen one person in particular on this forum constantly comparing Jews to Nazis. I've blocked that person so that I don't have to endure his hatred).

The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions agrees with you on the issue of house demolitions. Jews and Israelis are not evil people (I know that you didn't claim they are, but there are many others in the world who do). There are opposing political parties in Israel same as there are here in the United States. I don't think that a lot of the people in the world who hate and want to punish all of Israel understand this.

When authoritarian politicians get elected here in the U.S. (I won't name the U.S. political party here that tends to foster such politicians but we've had enough examples of them brought up on these forums), does that mean that all Americans are bad? I think that these politicians mostly manage to get elected because they prey on and exploit Americans' fears, convincing voters that their policies will make America safer and stronger.

Imagine Israel, surrounded by nations that are not friendly to Jews and which do not want Jews present at all, which believe that Israel has no right to existence. How much greater must the fears of Israelis be than anything that we have ever had to deal with here in the U.S.? I'm not saying this as a defense of certain Israeli policies, but I am saying it to try to get people to understand how these policies have come about.

 

[danieldemol]

The purpose of that bulldozing is to disincentivize the families from accepting payments for their children conducting a suicide attack.

In NSW Australia the police can seize ill-gotten gains through proceeds of crime legislation;

View - NSW legislation.

Wouldn't that be a better way than leaving a family or a small clan homeless because of an individual who commits an act of terrorism?

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. Suppose you are in a mixed political family and you have that one cousin from the far right who goes out and commits a terrorist act even though you are relatively left leaning. The government then comes and bulldozes the family home or clan settlement. You are now homeless. Isn't that an incentive to a) take funds that you suddenly have desperate need of, and b) Hate the government that has made you homeless even though you committed no crime?

And then there is a story like that one where a Palestinian woman who had been divorced from her estranged husband for over a year had the authorities show up and bulldoze her family home because her husband committed a terrorist act.

In my opinion

 

[jbg]

I predict it will simply lead to more hostility & violence.

So what does Israel do, roll over and die?

 

[Revoltingest]

So what does Israel do, roll over and die?

That's not the option I'd choose.
Being more just, more accommodating,
& more peaceful are the better approach.

 

[lukethethird]

Seven people were killed near a synagogue in Jerusalem on Friday night when a 21 year old terrorist with a gun got out of a car and began blasting away. Three more people were injured and taken to the hospital.

Palestinian terrorist shoots 7 dead in ‘murderous rampage’ near Jerusalem synagogue

This morning (Saturday) a 13 year old terrorist with a gun shot a man and his son who were walking in the City of David neighborhood. The two were badly injured and are currently in the hospital.

Palestinian teen wounds 2, day after 7 killed in Jerusalem

Terrorists you say. Is that term reserved for Arabs?

 

[jbg]

Terrorists you say. Is that term reserved for Arabs?

Question is why don't the "Palestinians" just lay down their arms. Does "stop the war" only apply to the West?

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's not the option I'd choose.
Being more just, more accommodating,
& more peaceful are the better approach.

That was already tried. Legit statehood was offered.

Yasser Arafat wanted nothing to do with it. Remember?

 

[lukethethird]

Question is why don't the "Palestinians" just lay down their arms. Does "stop the war" only apply to the West?

It's not a war. Perhaps you think it's a war because Israel inflicts their military on Palestinians. Palestinians don't have a military, they are natives just as American natives are. Natives in America don't have a military either. Some Palestinians are retaliating the theft of their land and homes by Israelis. Why don't Israelis stop stealing land and homes that belongs to Palestinians? That is the question.

 

[Revoltingest]

That was already tried. Legit statehood was offered.

So Israel's fans claim.
But it's a ruse to justify brutal intransigence.

 

[jbg]

That's not the option I'd choose.
Being more just, more accommodating,
& more peaceful are the better approach.

So what does Israel do? File a diplomatic protest to the parents of the suicide bomber? Or add the suicide bomber to the Mourner's Kaddish list?

 

[Revoltingest]

So what does Israel do? File a diplomatic protest to the parents of the suicide bomber?

The first thing Israel could do is stop using the
terrorist tactic of group punishment, ie, tearing
down the homes of the accused's relatives.
Then it should end the 2 tier system of more
rights for Jews than non-Jews. Such religious
discrimination is hideous, & foments violence.

 

[rosends]

The first thing Israel could do is stop using the
terrorist tactic of group punishment, ie, tearing
down the homes of the accused's relatives.
Then it should end the 2 tier system of more
rights for Jews than non-Jews. Such religious
discrimination is hideous, & foments violence.

What rights do Jews have the non-Jewish citizens of Israel lack?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So Israel's fans claim.
But it's a ruse to justify brutal intransigence.

No. It was formally officially offered.

Arafat didn't want official recognized statehood.

 

[Revoltingest]

What rights do Jews have the non-Jewish citizens of Israel lack?

In addition to group punishment of non-Jews,
some claims I ran across...
65 Israeli laws that discriminate against non-Jews
Israel/West Bank: Separate and Unequal
Discrimination Against Palestinian Citizens of Israel | IMEU
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/14/1086...ugees-arrive-to-different-treatment-in-israel
Rights Group Hits Israel With Explosive Charge: Apartheid (Published 2021)

 

[Revoltingest]

No. It was formally officially offered.
Arafat didn't want official recognized statehood.

Setting aside that complex & disputable controversy,
it doesn't justify or make productive Israeli brutality.

 

[rosends]

In addition to group punishment of non-Jews,
some claims I ran across...
65 Israeli laws that discriminate against non-Jews
Israel/West Bank: Separate and Unequal
Discrimination Against Palestinian Citizens of Israel | IMEU
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/14/1086...ugees-arrive-to-different-treatment-in-israel
Rights Group Hits Israel With Explosive Charge: Apartheid (Published 2021)

I went through those sites. I saw laws that distinguished between citizens and non-citizens, but very few focused on religion. Things like the right-to-return law which does differentiate is parallel to a variety of repatriation laws world-wide. Other things you cited talked about unfortunate policies and the failure of individuals to abide by laws, but not a distinction in the law between Jews and non-Jews. The fact is, there are citizens of Israel of a variety of religions (though people of certain religions are not required to serve in the army) and the laws, other than ones which do establish the nation as a homeland for Jews, and not allowing missionaries to missionize (cf Many Countries Favor Specific Religions, Officially or Unofficially ) do not distinguish in application to individuals.

 

[Revoltingest]

I went through those sites. I saw laws that distinguished between citizens and non-citizens, but very few focused on religion. Things like the right-to-return law which does differentiate is parallel to a variety of repatriation laws world-wide. Other things you cited talked about unfortunate policies and the failure of individuals to abide by laws, but not a distinction in the law between Jews and non-Jews. The fact is, there are citizens of Israel of a variety of religions (though people of certain religions are not required to serve in the army) and the laws, other than ones which do establish the nation as a homeland for Jews, and not allowing missionaries to missionize (cf Many Countries Favor Specific Religions, Officially or Unofficially ) do not distinguish in application to individuals.

You are a careful & diligent poster.
I'm afraid that you don't belong on RF.