4 reasons I think Kavanaugh is guilty

[robocop (actually)]

That's fine but why take a lie detector test when there is no evidence against you? Then again why when no one sees them as reliable? Even if he pass, would it change anyone's mind?



I suppose I don't really know what terms are being referred to. I was really on a VOX article and didn't see anything specifically untoward.



Probably true, like the lie detector it probably doesn't really prove anything.

Maybe he did attempt to rape her. She should have went to the police, told someone. Even as hard and embarrassing as that might be, a person needs to take steps to support their allegations. If we learn anything from this hopefully any future rape victims will take this to heart.

Otherwise people are stuck trying to pass judgement on folks based on our feelings. Feelings are not reliable.

It's OK I think he's innocent.

 

[sealchan]

Plus if you listened to his speech carefully, he confessed he was guilty twice with wordplay.

How is that?

 

[Jumi]

4. His calendar is a stupid defense... if he was going to try to rape somebody he wouldn't put it on the calendar.

That was seriously a thing in this case?

 

[Shad]

1. He wouldn't take a lie detector test and Ford would.

2. He was smirking and fidgeting and evading questions.

3. His yearbook contained terms that said he did sex acts.

4. His calendar is a stupid defense... if he was going to try to rape somebody he wouldn't put it on the calendar.

So guilty until proven innocent.....

Polygraphs are not reliable.

 

[robocop (actually)]

How is that?

So guilty until proven innocent.....

Polygraphs are not reliable.

I am coming out again and saying I changed my mind... I think Judge Kavanaugh is innocent.

 

[Shad]

I am coming out again and saying I changed my mind... I think Judge Kavanaugh is innocent.

Sorry if I missed it. I do not always read the full thread when replying to an OP.

 

[sealchan]

I am coming out again and saying I changed my mind... I think Judge Kavanaugh is innocent.

How is that?

Just kidding...IMO I am undecided but I have my suspicions. I think that maybe there will be a press investigation if any of the additional witnesses become willing to talk to the press. I suspect that at the very least Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and was belligerent while he was drunk. Not cool...should be honest about it. I think it is very possible he was involved in sexual assaults.

 

[nPeace]

Of course, I am not interested in the political issues, but....
Is this proper human behavior?
What would happen if an LGBT member was treated as Mr. Cruz, and his wife was treated here... and there just came to eat a meal?

I guess some people are happy to hang someone, even if that person is not proven guilty beyond any doubt.
Was it orchestrated, as some believe, by those who said, 'Dr. Ford, I believe you"?

I don't know, but this is expected where human rule is present. Cut Throat tactics will take place.
When the government ruled by the Prince of Peace takes full control, things like this will cease. There will be true justice and righteousness for everyone. Isaiah 9:6, 7

 

[Rational Agnostic]

1. He wouldn't take a lie detector test and Ford would.

2. He was smirking and fidgeting and evading questions.

3. His yearbook contained terms that said he did sex acts.

4. His calendar is a stupid defense... if he was going to try to rape somebody he wouldn't put it on the calendar.

Edit: I think Judge Kavanaugh is innocent now.

So your opinions are based on your personal whims and emotions, and not evidence. First you thought he was guilty, now you've changed your mind. Given that there is no actual evidence to support the stories of Ford or Kavanaugh, Kavanaugh should be presumed innocent by default because that's how our justice system was designed to work.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course, I am not interested in the political issues, but....
Is this proper human behavior?
What would happen if an LGBT member was treated as Mr. Cruz, and his wife was treated here... and there just came to eat a meal?

I guess some people are happy to hang someone, even if that person is not proven guilty beyond any doubt.
Was it orchestrated, as some believe, by those who said, 'Dr. Ford, I believe you"?

The leap to judgment lies in group identity politics. To people with that perspective,
Kavanaugh isn't an individual. Rather, he is just a symbol....a fungible perpetrator
of a class which victimizes another group. Of course, an accuser belonging to the
victim group is a representative, & cannot be challenged because one embodies the
group's very identity.
What happens when this weltanschauung infects the justice system?
We see witch hunts like Nifong's persecution of falsely accused lacrosse players.
Or Obama's corruption of due process in title IX, urging universities to presume guilt.

Now, before my liberal friends get all huffy about a one sided post, I'll note that we
observe the same phenomenon...like that guy Fox fired for calling the accusers
"skanks", Kevin Jackson.

 

[nPeace]

The leap to judgment lies in group identity politics. To people with that perspective,
Kavanaugh isn't an individual. Rather, he is just a symbol....a fungible perpetrator
of a class which victimizes another group. Of course, an accuser belonging to the
victim group is a representative, & cannot be challenged because one embodies the
group's very identity.
What happens when this weltanschauung infects the justice system?
We see witch hunts like Nifong's persecution of falsely accused lacrosse players.
Or Obama's corruption of due process in title IX, urging universities to presume guilt.

Now, before my liberal friends get all huffy about a one sided post, I'll note that we
observe the same phenomenon...like that guy Fox fired for calling the accusers
"skanks", Kevin Jackson.

Politics, I think, takes away human rational, and consideration.
I'm sure if people treated those persons the way they treated Mr. and Mrs. Cruz, they would be spitting fire, and protesting about abuse and discrimination, but blinded by their political allegiance, they can't appreciate human decency. Fair treatment flew out the window.

This is what politics does - it divides people, and turns most into heartless monsters.

 

[david-david]

Good points, but I still don;t know with certainty that he did what was alleged.

However, with this being the case, if I was low enough to be in today's Senate , I would have to vote against his acceptance as judge based on his behavior that included a high degree of partisanship, numerous violations of "judicial restraint", and numerous statements by some who knew him well, including one of his roommates that said he was a VERY heavy drinker, which defies what Kavanaugh said of himself.

IMO, Trump should try another-- except he won't unless Kavanaugh isn't confirmed.

What was the 'accusation against him', again? 'Rape'? Statutory Rape? What was the 'accused offense' again?

Maybe he was being accused of 'Lying'.

I'm thinking something like this.

Georgetown Preparatory School got word from one of the other 'schools' which had the other 'students' at the party enrolled in. Upon Georgetown's reception of a such Brett Kavanaugh, who was attending GeorgeTown Preparatory School at that time with Mark Judge, Georgetown took it upon themselves to quell the accusations against the only boarding school of its kind in all of the U.S by expelling both Brett and Mark out onto the streets. But since the yearly tuitions were paid, they were reallowed into the school. And it was here that in a matter of 2 years, they relieved Georgetown Preparatory School of their presence to attend Yale, well at least Mr. Kavanaugh did.


Such male teenagers acting in such testosterone lusted actions while drinking beer off campus was never heard of in those days. And so, that/this is why the drunken 'shows' of flattery, due to a lack of 'communication' skills, seeing they were both, Mr. Kavanaugh and Mr. Judge, attending an all male Religious Boarding School (hence the shyness), showed while their good moral character compass was inebriated is being questioned. How they even ever got off campus to attend such parties as teens where alcohol and drugs were being served on silver platters, I do not know. And THIS, is WHY.. This.. not because of any underage show of 'sexual' attraction even if done with crassness rather than sophistication, but the FACT that alcohol and drugs were being served to high school students and such a 'party' where the socialites of that area even knew of, IS the reason for such Court hearings.

And so, if any accusations of 'sexual misconduct' is in question, the more correct term might and could be 'juvenile sexual harassment/misconduct' rather than just flat out 'sexual misconduct'.

And so, not for forcible rape, not for attempted rape, not for false imprisonment to person's, not for sexual assault, but for 'being a little too non gentlemanly while still yet in his teens' is why he is in question.


But this question has not yet been addressed.

Why, Mrs. Fo-d and other ladies, were 'YOU' drinking alcohol while being under the age of legal alcohol consumption?

And why were 'YOU' both ladies at parties where 16 and 17 year old male high school students were in attendance when you were both 14 and 15 and after YOU knew that drugs and alcohol would be at those parties?


Because, if this entire Court Hearing on Mr. Kavanaugh was NOT about his personal 'character', per se, but it was about 'criminalities', then the term, 'Juvenile Sex Offenses' should have been the focus points. Not as adults, but as Juveniles. If it was an interrogation of personal character, then the ladies' characters could also be interrogated.


And for a 'Juvenile' crime to be brought to Court under Adult ages, seems a bit too off and strange.


A 'more' serious crime for possible future Court cases of importance could be:

'This man, or this woman, is accused of watching 'Pornography' and smoking weed'. Please dismiss this person from all possible future employment with your agency'.


'I will testify under Oath, so help me Law, that I witnessed this person watch Pornography and smoke weed'. 'And this other witness has stepped forth also.'


I'm not talking about a Juvenile either, now.

'How dare any U.S gentry watch any pornography or smoke weed! May the Courts damn them to eternal prison, right?'


'Sorry, sir. I have a more serious charge to bring... I have witnessed them show the lack of concern they should have by their smoking that filthy cigarette. May the Courts find this as 'Treason' to the U.S way.'


Guilty as charged. The first is 'guilty' of having been an imperfect teen or a perfect teen, depending on the direction of your view.

The second is guilty of watching pornography and smoking weed. I hope he/she has his/her identification to be able to prove his/her age. I do believe the legal age to watch pornography is 21 and the legal age to smoke weed is 18. The age being needed to be a 'Gentry' is questionable.

The third is guilty of smoking cigarettes. I do hope he knows what the penalty of 'Treason' is.


(*hint for #2: It is 'perfect' for teens to make mistakes otherwise they would be imperfect if they didn't). But 'teen' is not thirty-oneteen or twenty-seventeen.


'I object. I'm twenty-seventeen and I make a few errors but not many'.

'I object. My thirteen year old child said that twenty-seventeen's year olds should not be being busy all day without having a job'.

'I object. Any non teen should be able to choose for themselves what they want'.

'I object. My child is only five. Neither 'teen' or umph-teened'.


'I object, Your Honor!' 'The word 'teen' is becoming discriminated against by using it in the social norms contexts which has been proven to be conforming to social 'norms' and not to individual 'rights'. I seek the term 'teen' be changed to 'aged''.

'I object. I'm aged and I do not desire to be associated with 'teens or umph-teens''.


'This is becoming 'ageist''! 'Criminal offense! Agism! Agism! Criminal offense!'



'Extra, Extra! Read All about it. The U.S is passing Laws against Agism!'
'Extra, Extra! Read All about it!'


.....and tonight on Nightly News with Anchor man, Bill Bill Bill.

The first woman to be sued over Agism. Offering to give her age to a younger without being asked has landed her 3 million dollars poorer...
.......

'I was telling her that she needed to stop arguing and leave the store when she said, 'I'm 87 years old and you won't give me more than half a second of your full attention'?

'At that point, I just flipped and here we are today. I think I did a 'good' thing. The U.S shouldn't be filled with people telling people off like that, you know?'

As the injured man lay on the ground, two customers apparently ordered dinner as if nothing had happened.

“Can I get No. 12?” one woman asked a cashier, with the victim curled up on the floor behind her, sources said.


Man Brutally Assaulted at Fast Food Eatery After Offering to Help Pay for Meal


'I was telling her that she needed to stop arguing and leave the store when she said, 'I'm 87 years old and you won't give me more than half a second of your full attention'?


'You want to know what this made me feel inside? I was thinking to myself, 'What? Is she trying to make 'ME' feel bad with her use of her 'age' as a Weapon against 'MY' Personal rights to try and make 'ME' feel as if 'I' was doing something 'WRONG'? Who the 'hell', or who in God's Earth, does she think she is trying to tell 'ME' that 'I' was doing something wrong? Keep your nose in your own, lady'.



Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

 

[Estro Felino]

Nice...very convincing.

Four reasons I think Kavanaugh is innocent.

1) He looks like someone who lost his virginity on his wedding night
2) Dr Ford was is a psychologist and psychologists are professionally the best at feigning emotions
3) Dr Ford was described as a promiscuous drinking woman in her youth. Not as a Saint Mary Goretti. Whereas Kav waa described as a very shy boy.
4) It's obvious that the story is made up for political reasons

 

[wellwisher]

If you recall a significant number of liberal media and politically associated Democrat men were falling like flies, due to sex related crimes, over the previous year or two. The head of the Trump resistance, Bill Clinton, was also a very well know ladies man who was impeached for a similar crime. The Democrats needed to stop the bleeding, so they ran a scam, in alliance with fake news, to frame the Republican alter boy. They knew his nomination could change the balance of power in the court and their crimes and cover ups could come back to bite them.

This stunt backfired on the Democrats and helped Trump gain seats in the Senate, allowing him to regain control of the Justice Department as well as the Supreme Court nomination process. It also showed just how depraved the leftist base has become, willing to condemn an innocent man without any hard evidence.

It was one thing to pull a discredit scam on Trump; Russian collusion scam, since Trump is harsh and worldly, but being willing to condemn Kavanaugh, showed that their base was emotionally broken having lost the ability for critical thought and empathy.

 

[Lyndon]

dream on!!!!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Four reasons I cannot pass judgment on Kavanaugh or Ford....
1) Lack of evidence
2) Unconvincing testimony
3) So much time has past that nothing & no one are reliable.
4) Lack of evidence

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If you recall a significant number of liberal media and politically associated Democrat men were falling like flies, due to sex related crimes, over the previous year or two.

Liberal media and Democrat men? Someone seems to have a selective memory...

 

[metis]

This stunt backfired on the Democrats and helped Trump gain seats in the Senate,

Certainly didn't help him in the House.

It was one thing to pull a discredit scam on Trump; Russian collusion scam,

And exactly how in the world could you possibly know it's a "scam" since Mueller's report hasn't been made public. With all these indictments and plea deals, how in the world could anyone call this a "scam" is beyond me.

...showed that their base was emotionally broken having lost the ability for critical thought and empathy.

You support Trump and yet you accuse the opposition that includes a growing number of Republicans of not having "empathy"? Is putting children in cages "empathy"? Is making fun of a man in a wheelchair "empathy"? Is his constant name-calling and demeaning of people "empathy"? Is chanting "Lock her up!" "empathy"? Etc.?

 

[sealchan]

Whether it was a prosecutable crime or not...whether it should have kept him off the Supreme Court or not...the Republicans chose to put this person on the Supreme Court and good or bad the Republicans will reap what they sow...now that the last election has come and gone we can see what the American people think.

The worst part of it is is that there is a very very good chance that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted someone and he wasn't honest about it. The Republican party felt compelled to promote him to the Supreme Court instead of someone whom they might have found who wasn't so compromised. And so many Americans who complained about corrupt politicians cheered them on.

This is the moral swamp in action and the party that bragged the most about clearing the swamp is only making it deeper. The hypocrisy of a good portion of the American people is so loud and clear that they have only themselves to blame for what happens. And anyone who wants to cover this with "well so and so did it" can just join so and so's club and stop complaining.