2022 Brazil's political woes

[Revoltingest]

Thanks. But no thanks. I have suffered enough already.

Suffering is good for the soul...if you're of a religious bent.

 

[LuisDantas]

Suffering is good for the soul...if you're of a religious bent.

I am not. Not in that way, anyway.

 

[Koldo]

I... guess so.

Scary.

As I see it, facism revolves around dictatorship, warmongering, state controlled economy and social darwinism.

 

[LuisDantas]

As I see it, facism revolves around dictatorship, warmongering, state controlled economy and social darwinism.

Those are common traits at a more advanced stage. Which we are rapidly approaching already.

But the core traits of fascism include a longing for a former, brighter past; for a strong central authority; for the removal of perceived unworthy rivals ("traitors"); and claims of the inate rights and perhaps superiority of a national identity.

We have descended decisively into all of that. Sometimes enthusiastically. For my considerable and lasting disgust.

 

[Koldo]

Those are common traits at a more advanced stage. Which we are rapidly approaching already.

But the core traits of fascism include a longing for a former, brighter past;

Which is a fairly mild trait in itself.

for a strong central authority;

Which is the standard here in Brazil. Didn't change a thing under Bolsonaro.

for the removal of perceived unworthy rivals ("traitors");

Which Bolsonaro hasn't done.

and claims of the inate rights and perhaps superiority of a national identity.

There is more nationalism under Bolsonaro, but still fairly tame.

 

[Koldo]

When Lula was imprisoned it created a lot of chatter on the kind of news sources I read at the time. The (mostly left leaning) commentators and reporters suggested it was a political move to stop him running against Bolsonaro. I note that he is still very popular but that's hardly evidence of being clean.

What kind of candidate or platform would you prefer to be voting for?

Also, I previously watched an Al Jazeera documentary on the carwash scandal (and a TV drama). Is there anything you would recommend on the subject?

If I could, I would vote in Sérgio Moro. Sadly he is neither running nor would have a winning chance this year.

 

[LuisDantas]

Which is a fairly mild trait in itself.



Which is the standard here in Brazil. Didn't change a thing under Bolsonaro.



Which Bolsonaro hasn't done.



There is more nationalism under Bolsonaro, but still fairly tame.

I entirely disagree. Emphatically. Indelibly. Entirely. Strenuosly.

 

[LuisDantas]

If I could, I would vote in Sérgio Moro. Sadly he is neither running nor would have a winning chance this year.

Nor would he be any better than Lula. We know that already.

 

[Koldo]

Nor would he be any better than Lula. We know that already.

Why do you think so?
I disagree with your assessment.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why do you think so?
I disagree with your assessment.

I don't know how I can convince you, unless it turns out that you have paid no attention to the news about Moro.

 

[Koldo]

I don't know how I can convince you, unless it turns out that you have paid no attention to the news about Moro.

What news specifically?

 

[LuisDantas]

What news specifically?

Sorry. I have been through such situations previously. There is only so much time in the day.

 

[Koldo]

Sorry. I have been through such situations previously. There is only so much time in the day.

As you wish.

 

[LuisDantas]

And now Bolsonaro's supporters, following the lead of his own son's discourse, have began actually shooting at their opponents.

There is no way this can end well.

Brazil party official shot dead as pre-election political violence escalates

What a shame to live in times when fascism has been forgetting that it should be ashamed to exist...

 

[amorphous_constellation]

A few months ago I watched this documentary on the state of the Amazon, and I'm not sure how much this figures in to what you want to talk about, but I just guess I wonder how much of political point that is, in all this. I mean, I'm not even sure what question about it I would ask first.

Can it really sort of be framed as christianity vs. paganism, is one possible question, because it kind of seems like a conflict between people who see physical matter (nature) in the Christian sense, as being merely the material that 'moth and woodworm' destroys, vs. the people who probably see something like a more genuine spirituality and perhaps personhood in nature. Those who would say they are the 'lungs of the planet' in both a literal and I guess spiritual sense, vs. those that would perceive this to be a false mystical view, and so then, the land should merely be for industrial level production of cattle and crops

I guess a big part of me 'gets' what a lot of it also can be about, is that people, in this modern context, want to 'making a living,' and feel that they need to. So clearing the trees and setting up capital circulation in place of that, makes sense to people practically. I myself am just a factory worker up here in wisconsin. I mean, this is basically what I seem driven by modern society, to do

 

[LuisDantas]

I want to apologize for the regrettable circunstance of having you folks exposed to almost a half hour of Bolsonaro's speech today.

We all deserve better.