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1914... a significant year in bible prophecy

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by may, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    1914—A​
    Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

    DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
    As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations ["the times of the Gentiles," King James Version] are fulfilled." Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nation—the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on "Jehovah’s throne" as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Jehovah’s rulership.
    How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be "trampled on by the nations"? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. "Jehovah’s throne" became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this ‘trampling’ go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalem’s last king, Zedekiah: "Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him." (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has "the legal right" to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the ‘trampling’ would end when Jesus became King.
    When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: "Let seven times pass over it."—Daniel 4:10-16.
    In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary—a period of "seven times." How long a period is that?
    Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal "a thousand two hundred and sixty days." "Seven times" would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of "a day for a year," the "seven times" would cover 2,520 years.
    The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, "the appointed times of the nations" ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
    Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5
    From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years.
     
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  2. Halcyon

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    There is a zero year though. The year from Christ's birth till his first birthday would have been year zero. The second year of Christs life would have been year 1 and so forth.
     
  3. CaptainXeroid

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    Actually, this is not correct for the 'Christian era. The Gregorian Calendar and its predecessor Julian Calendar do not have a 'Year Zero'. Remember the discussions that resulted when some people mistakenly thought the millenium began in 2000 instead of 2001.:bonk:

    Interesting post may.:)
     
  4. michel

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    Yes, interesting. Particularly so because I have always believed in Numerology; but it is a subject I find most atheists and thiests shy away from. I have never quite understood why.
     
  5. may

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    Yes ,i also find the bible to be really interesting when it comes to bible prophecy, in fact it was the many prophecies in the bible that really brings the bible alive to me, i find them really thrilling in the times that we now live in , and the fact that i believe that Jesus is now very soon ready to go into action regarding manmade goverments on the earth , yes i believe that the prophetic word is rolling ever foreward
    The time is near for God and Jesus Christ to execute final judgment on Satan’s world system.
    As Habakkuk 2:3 states: "The vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late." Our salvation through the great tribulation depends on our observing God’s prophetic Word.Jesus also left us signs to look out for , so that we would know that he is in kingdom power , and all the signs have been happening on a worldwide scale since 1914
     
  6. jewscout

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    may perhaps you could cite your material? where does it come from?
     
  7. Halcyon

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    That's interesting, doesn't make any sense, but its interesting.

    Do you think it matters that they didn't use our calender when the OT was written?
     
  8. may

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    As one of JW we all believe that the bible prophecy about Jesus being made king in the heavens in 1914 is now well along , as far as i know , i dont know of any others who recognize this fullfillment so as i am a JW it comes from the faithful ones that have been given insight and understanding in these last days, and in turn they are giving understanding to people like me who are willing to listen to them. so its from JW inline with the bible.
     
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    i think my point wasn't questioning the origins of the belief...that i understand
    my point was the OP was taken from a souce that was not cited. i was asking for the citation.
     
  10. may

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    :confused: i think i have answered you , it comes from JW we have lots of meetings together at our kingdom halls where we learn many things about the bible and i go to the meetings and learn these things inline with the bible , and it all comes from the faithful ones spoken in matthew 24;45-47 they are feeding me very well , as to what the bible really teaches, over the years i have learnt many things from all kinds of tracts, mags , books , we are well fed in a spiritual way, but we do not keep it to ourselves ,that is why we offer it to others , when we go from door to door ,anyone can find it if they go to the place where it is , so the thoughts are from JW in line with the bible, here is a link ,if you look under( publications ) there is a book called (what does the bible REALLY teach ) i have found lots of up to date info in this book in line with the bible http://www.watchtower.org/
     
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    so getting back to the heavenly kingdom ,here is Jesus recieving the kingship , its in Daniel 7;13-14"I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man (Jesus christ)happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days (Jehovah God)he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him(Jesus) there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin..see Daniel 2;44
    And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite Daniel 2;44 yes this heavenly kingdom was set up in 1914 ,in the days of manmade rulership, soon this heavenly kingdom goverment will take over manmade rulership ,and then we can have REAL peace.............but do you think that man will want to give up his human rulership ?hmmmmm i dont think so . but if man thinks that he can fight against God , he will not win the battle , because THE ALLMIGHTY will win.
    WHEN the Warrior-King Jesus Christ removes Satan and his unrighteous world, what cause for rejoicing there will be! The peaceful Thousand Year Reign of Jesus begins at last!
     
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    i am one of Jehovahs witness, and the beliefs of JW are all based on Gods word the bible, we are well fed in a spiritual way , and we make the established heavenly kingdom the focus of our beliefs , Daniel 2;44. its all happening in these the last days. that is why JW offer others the chance to know about this established heavenly kingdom, but most people close their ears and heart to it. everything that i talk about regarding the heavenly kingdom comes from the Faithful slave spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 they have a great responsibility to feed the ones who want to know. and they have certainly fed me with lots of spiritual food .
    As Jesus Christ prophesied, he now has a faithful and discreet slave class that is busy providing "food at the proper time" for anyone who wants it.
     
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    Those are two very good questions.

    Exactly what predictions did Bible students make, decades in advance, about 1914? What "significant developments" did they anticipate? Can you provide specific quotations of their predictions, and objective evidence that any of those predictions have been fulfilled?
     
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    the early bible students, knew that the date was significant, from their study of the bible, but they did not have the correct understanding about things regarding the heavenly kingdom . but in these last days Jehovah reveals things in his own time , and Jehovah reveals things to his faithful ones who have stuck very closely to the bible . JW made it known in the 1800s that we should look out for this date of 1914 as it was a very significant date , but at that point in time they were in the dark about things that now have been revealed . we now know that Jesus presence(parousia) in kingdom power is invisible because it is happening in the heavens , that is why Jesus left us signs to look out for . and its all happening in this time of the end. thrilling times indeed
    "And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant." Daniel 12;4
    also they had overlooked something else that must be done. The good news that they had received must be told to others; because Jesus had commanded: ‘This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations: and then shall the end come.’ (Matthew 24:14)"—The Watch Tower, May 1, 1925
    As the events following 1914 began to unfold and the Bible Students compared these with what Jesus had foretold, they gradually came to appreciate that they were living in the last days of the old system and that they had been since 1914. They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ’s invisible presence had begun and that this was, not by his personally returning (even invisibly) to the vicinity of the earth, but by his directing his attention toward the earth as ruling King. They saw and accepted the vital responsibility that was theirs to proclaim "this good news of the kingdom" for a witness to all nations during this critical time of human history.—Matt. 24:3-14.
    As a result of careful study of God’s Word, the Bible Students understood that God’s Kingdom was the government that Jehovah had promised to set up by means of his Son for the blessing of mankind
    In time they also came to realize that the Jerusalem that was exalted at the end of the Gentile Times was not a mere earthly city, or even a people on earth represented by that city, but, rather, "heavenly Jerusalem," where Jehovah installed his Son, Jesus Christ, with ruling authority in 1914.—Heb. 12:22.
    Jesus Christ foretold that after his return to heaven, he would send his disciples the holy spirit. This would serve as a helper, guiding them "into all the truth." (John 14:26; 16:7, 13) Jesus also said that as the Lord or Master of true Christians, he would have a "faithful and discreet slave," a "faithful steward," that would give spiritual "food at the proper time" to the domestics, the workers in the household of faith. (Matt. 24:45-47;
    As Jehovah has shed more light on his Word by means of his spirit, his servants have been humbly willing to make needed adjustments.
    Such progressive understanding was not limited to the early period of their modern-day history. It continues right down to the present.
    the unfolding of events foretold in the entire book of Revelation has provided an abundance of spiritual illumination.
     
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    If you can't understand the prophecies till after they come to pass, what good are they?
     
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    how did they come up with 1914? i didn't read it in the scritors provided...
     
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    I can not get excited about numbers... or prophecy.
    To me they pander to idle curosity.

    Jesus had far more important messages to give us.
    Attempting to follow his teachings is far more profitable to us and our souls
     
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    Agreed.
     
  19. Smoke

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    There's at least one major flaw in this reasoning:
    In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary—a period of "seven times." How long a period is that?
    Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal "a thousand two hundred and sixty days." "Seven times" would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of "a day for a year," the "seven times" would cover 2,520 years.
    However, it's clear that neither of those scriptures is applicable. Neither makes a prophetic "day" generally equivalent to a year.
    And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. (Numbers 14.33-34)
    The Children of Israel were condemned to wander the wilderness forty years to correspond to the number of days in which they spied out the land of Canaan.
    For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. (Ezekiel 4.5-6)
    Ezekiel is commanded to act out the past and future history of Israel, with each day of his act symbolizing a year.

    Neither tells us that a prophetic day equals a year, and in fact the predictions of Jehovah's Witnesses for 1914 didn't come to pass, and there's no objective evidence at all for the later interpretation they gave to their prophecies.

    It would be more reasonable to propose that "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years" — after all, we're always being told that that's what God meant when he said Adam and Eve would die the same day they ate of the forbidden fruit. With this one day = a thousand years equation, we can project that —provided the rest of the reasoning in this interpretation is correct — Jesus will return in 2519394.

    More reasonable still would be to recognize that prophecy enthusiasts — from William Miller to Charles Taze Russell to Hal Lindsey — have always been completely off base whenever they made any specific predictions, and that attempting to use the Bible to divine the future is probably a fruitless exercise to begin with.
     
  20. reyjamiei

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    The accepted date of Jesus' birth are between 7 - 4 B.C. because Matthew says that he was born during the reign of King Herod the Great and King Herod died in 4 B.C. So if he was born in 7 B.C. the year after his birth would have been 6 B.C and if he was born in 4 B.C. the year after his birth would have been 3 B.C.
     
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