BilliardsBall
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Why should the church have that power if God is NOT?
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100% lack of evidence to God
- Thread starter firedragon
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Why should the church have that power if God is NOT?
What are you going on about? Do you think that a religious belief has to come from the Bible - and not only that, but reflect your interpretation of the Bible - to be a religious belief?
Erm, because people are vulnerable to authority - until they overthrow such?
Huh? False beliefs are, by definition, not true. if two statements contradict each other, at most one can be true.
More people believe their team is best than believe in deities.
The books of the New Testament were chosen by people who believed that. It was one of the conditions for inclusion in the Bible. So, of course, it is 'univocal' about it.
name one thing in religion that nearly everyone agrees with.
I wish you could stand back from that and look at what you wrote. The results are the evidence. If you've tested an idea, gotten results that you like, and continued with it to sustain the benefit, you're an empiricist. You don't worship evidence like a God, which is good, but you make judgments based on it, which is also good.
Where to begin. Equivocation, or the use of vague language and the conflation of different words that sound and look alike is not relevant here. Second, no claim was made that false beliefs invalidate a true one.
Your comment is the faith-based one if you belief that mutually exclusive ideas can both be correct in the same sense at the same time. This is a violation of one of the most basic tenets of reasoning, noncontradiction. To hold a belief that flies in the face of that is faith-based, sometimes referred to as doublethink: "Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality." The concept comes out of the book 1984 by Orwell, and is an example of the perversion of reason by indoctrination - political propaganda in case of the book.
There is no such thing. You want to offer your deity as a counterexample, which is believed in despite contrary evidence, but not universally. It is only believed by Christians despite contrary evidence. I have given the evidence against the deity of the Christian Bible on this site several times, but Christians so far haven't been interested in acknowledging that they read it, much less rebut it. It's the same evidence that supports the theory of evolution, which, even though it can never be enough to "prove" the theory beyond a reasonable doubt, has already falsified the claim that an honest, benevolent deity that wants to be known, believed, loved, obeyed, and worshiped created the tree of life on earth.
That evidence indisputably says otherwise. It says that if evolution is ever falsified, it will need to be replaced by deceptive intelligent designer, one that went to great pains to make it look like a process that never occurred actually had. The old evidence never goes away even if the theory does. It just needs to be reinterpreted in the light of that falsifying find to reflect an deceptive intelligent designer.
And other deities that are believed in, such as the deist deity, are also not believed in despite contrary evidence. They are believed in despite insufficient supporting evidence.
No. Kids like to ask questions. But we don't have the answer to every question, so parents made up deities to explain thunder, and why things happen out of our control. Those stories became part of the culture (like Santa Claus), but the adults who wanted simple answers also kept believing in them.
The true answers take a lot more investigation, thinking, and skepticism than those given by religion. So the religious 'answers' are easier to explain to those who don't want to do the work required for real understanding.
Also, many of the answers cannot be verified immediately. So, the existence of atoms wasn't actually proven until a bit over 100 years ago. Other galaxies were not proven until after that.
So, rather than live with the actual uncertainty of the answers, some people prefer the quick simple answer to the truth.
At least, that's how I see it.
SkepticThinker
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Two words: Santa Claus.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
How can they all be right if they all contradict each other?
You mean, everyone is born atheist and then when YOUNG CHILDREN ASK who were BORN ATHEIST, we fill in the gaps?!
We don't have all of the answers. So we make up stories. That is how religions get started and why there are so many different ones.
The gaps aren't actually fill by religion: they are simply smoothed over. To actually fill the gaps takes skepticism, testing, logical thought, and a willingness to admit it when you are wrong. Religions don't usually like those values.
At least, that is how I see it.
muhammad_isa
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The vast majority of religious believers are Christians and Muslims.
They have the belief in the monotheistic G-d of Abraham in common.
The only other significant percentage [15%] of "believers" are Hindus. That is more complex to understand, as many Hindus are also atheists.
Do they?
The vast majority of Christians adhere to the Nicene creed, which says that God has a triune aspect. The vast majority of Moslems reject this. Remember that Jesus is God in the Christian tradition, but a prophet in the Islamic one. Again, a pretty substantial difference in beliefs.
It seems to me that they believe in very different deities even if they trace the cultural aspect back to the same source.
So we have three large camps that disagree on most particulars.
muhammad_isa
Well-Known Member
Exactly .. the devil is in the detail.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
And Jews believe in Abraham too. But do they believe in Christianity or Islam? And then do Christians believe in Islam. And, then if we add the Baha'is, they also believe in Abraham and are rejected by Judaism, Christianity and Islam. But, even though Islam has Abraham in common with Christianity, how many things do Muslims and Christians disagree about? It looks to me there is enough to make them incompatible.
Exactly .. the devil is in the detail.
Almost like they all made it up, huh?
muhammad_isa
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God knows best who is making things up.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
That one or more gods exist. Now answer my question, please. You are unable to do so.