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10 Reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Invisible Pink Unicorn, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. Invisible Pink Unicorn

    Invisible Pink Unicorn New Member

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    10 Reasons Not to Vote for Ron Paul | Who Would Jesus Vote For?

    1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities.

    2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.

    3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class.

    4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes

    5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment.

    6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations.

    7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens.

    8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns.

    9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system.

    10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state.
     
  2. Meow Mix

    Meow Mix Sassypants Kitty Staff Member

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    He's a quack. I think he has so many fanboys because he's different from other politicians and that's what everyone really wants right now: someone who's not a typical Republican/Democrat. Unfortunately, "anything different" doesn't necessarily equate to better...
     
  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    No, I've supported him for a long time simply because he's the closest thing to a libertarian to appear in the Big Two.
    The OP misrepresents his social positions. But most important to me is his consistent pursuit of limited constitutiona
    government, & eschewing foreign adventurism. Paul differs from other not-one-of-the-usual-candidates, such as Ross
    Perot, who didn't really differ politically from his competition. Paul actually represents something different.

    It's perfectly fine to not vote for him, but one should do so for the right reasons.
     
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  4. Father Heathen

    Father Heathen Well-Known Member

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    How could he be considered a libertarian if he is opposed to the separation of church and state and to women's rights and gay rights?
     
  5. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry Verisimilitudinous

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    He likes guns?
     
  6. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Disputed claims such as those ought to be supported.
    It would be like claiming that Obama is a Muslim, ie, it is an opinion which should not be stated as fact.
    If I thought Paul would gut civil liberties, I'd drop him faster than Clinton (Bill, not Hillary) can drop trou.
    We should note that many of his views on social matters wouldn't affect public policy because of constitutional limitations on governmental authority.
    I disagree with on many things, but I'd vote for him because I believe the net effect of his being in office would be to advance social & economic liberty.

    But worry not, he won't get the Publican nod to run for prez.
    They'll pick another one of the usual bland statists.

    Would Jesus vote for him?
    Who cares?
     
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  7. Breathe

    Breathe Mostly taking a break

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    I would like all of the quoted above (3-6, 9) explained upon in greater detail if possible. That is, "how?". I'm not going to debate or anything as it'd be pointless for me since I'm in Europe - yet I'm just genuinely curious.
     
  8. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    I am puzzled why people would think there are reasons TO vote for Ron Paul. That is a head-scratcher, to be sure.
     
  9. E. Nato Difficile

    E. Nato Difficile New Member

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    "This whole Restore America project might be a two-term thing! But how's that common-sense Constitutional government lookin', huh?"

    [​IMG]

    -Nato
     
  10. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    I don't know what "common-sense Constitutional government" looks like.
    I haven't seen it as a general political agenda yet.
    Btw, hello there, Lord Humongous.

    - Smaller government
    - Fewer wars
    - Less foreign adventurism
    - Lower taxes
    - Limited constitutional government
    - A doctor instead of a lawyer in the White House
    The above certainly won't appeal to many, but those reasons are why some of us would prefer him to the competition.
     
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  11. Penumbra

    Penumbra Well-Known Member Staff Member Premium Member

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    I have a certain odd respect for Ron Paul, but would never, ever vote for him. I like his strong views against war, and the fact that he's been angry over the budget deficit long before everyone else was, and the fact that he destroys other Republicans in a debate and with a lot more integrity, but I think his policies would be disastrous for America.

    Paul's position is that the US should follow the first amendment and not officially recognize any religion or have a national religion, but he's against things like banning public prayer in schools and such, and he views America as a Christian nation that is tolerant of other religions. For women's rights, he is against abortion, but wants to leave it to the states to decide. For gay rights, he is against all government recognition of marriage, whether gay or straight. But, he defended the Defense of Marriage Act, though he did support repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell. He's in favor of couples doing whatever they want.

    He's about as libertarian as they come, and is one of the few politicians capable of separating his personal views from his political views on social issues. His answer to everything is to leave it to the states, or for the government not get involved at all.

    1. Ron Paul is against the Civil Rights Act.

    3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class because he is not in favor of progressive taxation, wants to eliminate various federal departments (department of education, department of energy, IRS, department of health and human services, environmental protection agency, etc), and is completely in favor of free trade, which is beneficial to imports from emerging markets over domestic production.

    4. Ron Paul wants to reduce or eliminate progressive taxation.

    5. He wants to eliminate the Environmental Protection Agency.

    6. Ron Paul would probably have a drastic effect on foreign relations, both for better and worse. He's basically an isolationist, so the various countries that rely on US for economic support, or the various allies we've had agreements with, would have agreements come to an end. On the other hand, countries that are mad at the US for warfare, or nation-building, or arming people with weapons, or getting economic sanctions for genocide or other unwanted behavior, would probably like the US better.

    9. He wants to eliminate the Department of Education, promotes home-schooling, and isn't interested in spending federal money to improve education around the country. For Ron Paul, if it's not in the US Constitution, he's not voting for it.
     
  12. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Finally, some real (albeit debatable) reasons.
    See how easy it is folks!
    Well....maybe it isn't so easy.
     
  13. disciple

    disciple Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'm convinced, thanks for the information on who not to vote for!
     
  14. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Same here.
    I'm voting for whomever the Libertarian Party offers.
     
  15. Meow Mix

    Meow Mix Sassypants Kitty Staff Member

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    I'm writing myself in. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
     
  16. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    Alas, you're too inexperienced to run the show.
    I'd take you on as an apprentice though.
    Do you have any Hawaiian shirts?
     
  17. disciple

    disciple Well-Known Member

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    Have you seen percentages of joke write ins?
     
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  18. Meow Mix

    Meow Mix Sassypants Kitty Staff Member

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    I'm not inexperienced, I'm just going to be a petty despot and totally blow up stuff that I don't like!
     
  19. Meow Mix

    Meow Mix Sassypants Kitty Staff Member

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    Ha ha, no, but I kind of want to now!
     
  20. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian

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    And you think you can just start doing that without serving an apprenticeship?
    You're even younger than Obama, & look how he botched his despotism.
    Just being smarter than he is will not be enuf, young padawan.
    Guidance you'll need.
     
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