10 people killed in shooting at Colorado supermarket

[We Never Know]

Sure - the gun is an inanimate object. But one thing that sets mass shooters apart from the general public that they acquire caches of weapons suited to mass shootings.


Good.


The intended use of beer isn't drunk driving. The intended use of many firearms is the taking of human life. So that's one difference.

That being said, if a brewer or a firearms manufacturer are designing or marketing their products in a way that causes significant harm to third parties, then why shouldn't they be held liable?

If you mean rifled firearms, the answer is hunting. If you mean pistol, it was for self-defense.

Any gun will only kills humans if..
1. Its misused(mass shootings)
2. Used in self-defense(self describing)
3. The one holding it uses it for such(its the person holding it, not the gun

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If you mean rifled firearms, the answer is hunting.

Yes - I'm sure all the people who like to carry AR-15s in Walmart are just stopping for snacks on the way out to their tree stand.

Weapons for hunting can be locked up in a gun safe with the ammo in a separate lockbox without this interfering with their proper use.

If you mean pistol, it was for self-defense.

"Self-defense"... by putting a bullet into a human being, right?

Any gun will only kills humans if..
1. Its misused(mass shootings)
2. Used in self-defense(self describing)
3. The one holding it uses it for such(its the person holding it, not the gun

How is it "misuse" for a weapon that's:

- designed for shooting humans
- designed with a quick fire rate
- designed with a large magazine capacity

... is used to shoot a number of people all at once?

It seems to me that this is precisely the situation it's been designed for.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes - I'm sure all the people who like to carry AR-15s in Walmart are just stopping for snacks on the way out to their tree stand.

Weapons for hunting can be locked up in a gun safe with the ammo in a separate lockbox without this interfering with their proper use.


"Self-defense"... by putting a bullet into a human being, right?


How is it "misuse" for a weapon that's:

- designed for shooting humans
- designed with a quick fire rate
- designed with a large magazine capacity

... is used to shoot a number of people all at once?

It seems to me that this is precisely the situation it's been designed for.

And note the AR-15 didn't walk in by itself.

So can all guns and ammo.

Or get shot yourself.

Misuse is misuse.

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."

 

[Twilight Hue]

Every stolen gun started out as a legal gun.

"Illegal" firearms are still a product of the "legal" firearm industry and gun culture.

Cartels and the mob have enough money to make and manufacture their own weapons, not to mention the vast International black market that specialises in the gun trade.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes - I'm sure all the people who like to carry AR-15s in Walmart are just stopping for snacks on the way out to their tree stand.

Weapons for hunting can be locked up in a gun safe with the ammo in a separate lockbox without this interfering with their proper use.


"Self-defense"... by putting a bullet into a human being, right?


How is it "misuse" for a weapon that's:

- designed for shooting humans
- designed with a quick fire rate
- designed with a large magazine capacity

... is used to shoot a number of people all at once?

It seems to me that this is precisely the situation it's been designed for.

And lets not forget young kids are raised on video games anymore. Parenting has became buy your kid a video game set up and they will stay out of your hair.
These are most popular with kids and adults.....

Edit: I believe the term is "First person shooter video games"

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Another mass shooting in the USA is hardly news.
It is a regular event.
Unless something is changed it will continue unabated.

Guns are readily available.
Criminals,
The mentally defective,
Those with grudges and hate
All join in the killing.

It will never stop of its own accord.
Of all those factors, only the availability of guns is controllable.

It is highly unlikely Americans will ever give up their guns.
It is clear that America considers these reoccuring deaths are a
Price worth paying.

Fortunately I do not have to live there.
Americans that come to live in the UK find they have no need of guns
And very very few of them are ever shot and killed here.

 

[Heyo]

It depends on the shooter - suicide, vengeance, targeting specific groups of people, etc. Why does a terrorist blow up a bunch of people? We don't say it's because they're mentally ill.

I consider suicide in most cases a result of an unhealthy mind. Vengeance and targeting specific groups of people is exactly not shooting people at random.
Terrorism is a category of its own and it usually is reported in the media as such. The individual targets are random but the terrorist has a goal behind "just killing people".
In those cases where no apparent reason is to be seen, mental problems are the obvious reason. (Which may be revised when a better explanation can be found later.)

 

[Heyo]

And im getting tired of hearing its the guns fault. Normal(used as a general term) everyday people don't just go out and commit shootings.
Something sets the shooter's apart.

Yep. It's the easy access to a gun. "Normal" people in "normal" countries don't have that. And the statistics are very clear on that. Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people - and people who let people have guns to kill people are accessories to killing people. They are the reason I mentioned under "3. Apathy".
A mass shooting every week is just normal and the price to pay for "freedom".

Gunshot wound - the American way to die.

 

[We Never Know]

I consider suicide in most cases a result of an unhealthy mind. Vengeance and targeting specific groups of people is exactly not shooting people at random.
Terrorism is a category of its own and it usually is reported in the media as such. The individual targets are random but the terrorist has a goal behind "just killing people".
In those cases where no apparent reason is to be seen, mental problems are the obvious reason. (Which may be revised when a better explanation can be found later.)

With mass shooter's the public refers to them as being mentally ill. However many psychiatrists would call it “emotionally disturbed” not “mentally ill” saying their worldview is more emotionally disturbed involving anger, resentment, victimization, and narcissistic grandiosity.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And lets not forget young kids are raised on video games anymore. Parenting has became buy your kid a video game set up and they will stay out of your hair.
These are most popular with kids and adults.....

Edit: I believe the term is "First person shooter video games"

So between the person and a gun, the fault is with the person, not with the gun.

But between the person and a video game, the fault is with the video game, not the person.

 

[Heyo]

With mass shooter's the public refers to them as being mentally ill. However many psychiatrists would call it “emotionally disturbed” not “mentally ill” saying their worldview is more emotionally disturbed involving anger, resentment, victimization, and narcissistic grandiosity.

I can agree to that.

 

[We Never Know]

So between the person and a gun, the fault is with the person, not with the gun.

But between the person and a video game, the fault is with the video game, not the person.

Its no different than you blaming the gun.

 

[We Never Know]

Sure - the gun is an inanimate object. But one thing that sets mass shooters apart from the general public that they acquire caches of weapons suited to mass shootings.


Good.


The intended use of beer isn't drunk driving. The intended use of many firearms is the taking of human life. So that's one difference.

That being said, if a brewer or a firearms manufacturer are designing or marketing their products in a way that causes significant harm to third parties, then why shouldn't they be held liable?

If someone poisons some one else and kills them, can the family sue the company that made the poison? Keep in mind poison has been used for killing since its discovery.

Poison was discovered in ancient times, and was used by ancient tribes and civilizations as a hunting tool to quicken and ensure the death of their prey or enemies.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If someone poisons some one else and kills them, can the family sue the company that made the poison? Keep in mind poison has been used for killing since its discovery.

Poison was discovered in ancient times, and was used by ancient tribes and civilizations as a hunting tool to quicken and ensure the death of their prey or enemies.

What are you on about?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you mean rifled firearms, the answer is hunting

AR-15 type guns are useless for hunting as they destroy the meat/pelt. They're just military rifles modified for civilian use.

 

[We Never Know]

What are you on about?

Didn't you say people should be able to sue the gun manufacturers because guns are made to kill.

Isn't poison made to kill.

And to be clear and inform you, I don't own an AR-15, SKS, etc. I have no need for them. I do however have hunting rifles and pistols.
I also have no need for a Lamborghini that goes 225mph.

So just because I don't have the need for or want something doesn't make it right for me to make it to where others can't have them.

 

[We Never Know]

AR-15 type guns are useless for hunting as they destroy the meat/pelt. They're just military rifles modified for civilian use.

I don't own one. I have no use for one. The people that I know that have them don't use them to hunt, they have them for protection.

 

[Suave]

Colorado supermarket shooting claims ‘multiple’ lives, suspect arrested, police say | Reuters



There was a video showing a man being led away in handcuffs and into an ambulance. They didn't say anything about a possible motive.

I'm sick and tired of all these mass shootings. I'd like there to be a ban on private ownership of any firearm weapons capable of continuously shooting more than a handful amount of high caliber bullets being discharged within one minute. Hunters and gun enthusiasts could still be allowed to legally own shotguns, bolt-action rifles, and six shooter revolvers while mass shootings would become nearly impossible.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Didn't you say people should be able to sue the gun manufacturers because guns are made to kill.

Isn't poison made to kill.

What poison do you think is intended to kill humans that's freely available?

And to be clear and inform you, I don't own an AR-15, SKS, etc. I have no need for them. I do however have hunting rifles and pistols.
I also have no need for a Lamborghini that goes 225mph.

No issue with your hunting rifles (edit: provided you store and handle them responsibly), but if you keep those pistols for "self defense" and not, say, because you're a competitive pistol shooter, I think less of you because of it.

So just because I don't have the need for or want something doesn't make it right for me to make it to where others can't have them.

Can you rephrase that sentence so it's coherent?

 

[We Never Know]

What poison do you think is intended to kill humans that's freely available?


No issue with your hunting rifles (edit: provided you store and handle them responsibly), but if you keep those pistols for "self defense" and not, say, because you're a competitive pistol shooter, I think less of you because of it.


Can you rephrase that sentence so it's coherent?

Lol.

If I don't have the need or want for an AR-15 or Lamborghini, does that mean no one else should have them?

As for poisons, all kinds.