10 outcomes on war with Iran

[work in progress]

That's exactly what they said about the Iraqis before we invaded and killed 250,000 of their civilians and made another 4 million homeless. They'll just love us in Iran, given our record.

To me, this is the most depressing aspect of this drumbeat to War. It's not like we haven't seen this before. And the same people who were wrong about the need for an Invasion of Iraq are part of the team arguing in favour of a war against Iran; and whenever they appear on the sunday new shows or cable news, their previous records are never mentioned by the interviewers. While at the same time, the opponents of the Iraq War are never on TV and are still discredited, even though they were the ones who were right!

 

[maxfreakout]

I think it is well within Israel's moral right to stop Iran's nuclear bomb because Iran has declared that it will use it to nuke Israel.

i don't believe this is true

 

[fallingblood]

That's exactly what they said about the Iraqis before we invaded and killed 250,000 of their civilians and made another 4 million homeless. They'll just love us in Iran, given our record.

I didn't say that they would welcome a U.S. occupation of their country, or even a war such as we saw in Iraq. There are better ways to go about it.

However, as opposed to the idea that some have suggested, the Iranians don't hate the United States in general. They may be suspicious, but a lot them also seem to have a don't care attitude. Which happens when your own government is like that in Iran.

I personally think the best thing we could do is simply provide them the means to rebel, and put into place a leader that isn't religious based.




Another side note, I think the Iranians may be developing a nuclear weapon (or the capability) simply to prevent war. Bush and his Axis of Evil caused a lot of problems. But what we did see was an invasion of Iraq, which had no WMD. The other member, North Korea, didn't face such, but instead got sanctions and the like. So it could seem to the Iranian government to be a better choice to get a nuclear weapon, and thus ward off a possible invasion.

 

[Sunstone]

To me, this is the most depressing aspect of this drumbeat to War. It's not like we haven't seen this before. And the same people who were wrong about the need for an Invasion of Iraq are part of the team arguing in favour of a war against Iran; and whenever they appear on the sunday new shows or cable news, their previous records are never mentioned by the interviewers. While at the same time, the opponents of the Iraq War are never on TV and are still discredited, even though they were the ones who were right!

Excellent!

 

[averageJOE]

Well...at least now I know why my Unit just got a bunch of new equipment.

 

[fulp]

Well...at least now I know why my Unit just got a bunch of new equipment.

I think the phonecall went something like this:

"Yo dawg, we herd you like games! So we put some toys on your toys, so they can play while they're being played."

 

[K.Venugopal]

In 1981 Israel destroyed a nuclear reactor under construction 17 kilometers southeast of Baghdad, Iraq. In 2007 Israel destroyed Syria's Al Kibar nuclear reactor. Israel could plan something similar in 2012 for Iran.

 

[F0uad]

You have to ask yourself WHY SHOULD AMERICA go into a other war...
Israel itself said America doesn't need to, and Israel also said it can take care of Iran... So???

When you want war you have to ask these keys questions

1. Are you willing to suffer more finical loses

2. Are you willing to kill more innocent people

3. Are you willing to send Americans to there death for no or BS reason?

4. Is America in a threat?

 

[Revoltingest]

You have to ask yourself WHY SHOULD AMERICA go into a other war...
Israel itself said America doesn't need to, and Israel also said it can take care of Iran... So???

Tis easy for them to boast.
We all know that if Israel got her tit in the wringer, America would spend unlimited money & lives to pull it out.

 

[F0uad]

Tis easy for them to boast.
We all know that if Israel got her tit in the wringer, America would spend unlimited money & lives to pull it out.

Not at all Israel has over 267Nuclear bombs, the most advanced TROOPS in the world after the US. And is it America's Problem???

If they themselves say ''dont'' help us or we ''don't'' need your help why should we even thinking about starting a war we cant pay..


Ps: It would be a violention of International Law or is the US above International law?

 

[Revoltingest]

Not at all Israel has over 267Nuclear bombs, the most advanced TROOPS in the world after the US. And is it America's Problem???
If they themselves say ''dont'' help us or we ''don't'' need your help why should we even thinking about starting a war we cant pay..

They might start a war we cannot pay for.
Initially, nukes will remain sheathed. But if a desperate situation arises, out they come.

Ps: It would be a violention of International Law or is the US above International law?

The law is a flexible thing.
Powerful countries do as they please, & figger out a rationale for it later.

 

[F0uad]

They might start a war we cannot pay for.
Initially, nukes will remain sheathed. But if a desperate situation arises, out they come.


The law is a flexible thing.
Powerful countries do as they please, & figger out a rationale for it later.

Hmm you mean Powerful country named the US or at-least being a ally of it?

I hope you agree a war with Iran is Immoral, not possible finical, and a sacrifice to lives without a good reason?

 

[Revoltingest]

Hmm you mean Powerful country named the US or at-least being a ally of it?
I hope you agree a war with Iran is Immoral, not possible finical, and a sacrifice to lives without a good reason?

I unequivocally oppose preemptive war with Iran.
It would be dangerous, deadly & financially crippling.
The US & Israel are the biggest problem for the US & Israel.

 

[garrydons]

I think it is well within Israel's moral right to stop Iran's nuclear bomb because Iran has declared that it will use it to nuke Israel. Israel has to ensure that it is a surgical operation where only the nuclear sites are targeted and they are able to strike all sites simultaneously.

I definitely agree with you. Thanks

 

[1robin]

If the wars since 1948 are any judge of what will happen then the ten things that might happen are:
1. Israel wins
2. Israel wins
3. Israel wins
4. Israel wins
5. Israel wins
6. Israel wins
7. Israel wins
8. Israel wins
9. Israel wins
10. Israel wins

 

[Revoltingest]

There's no question that Israel will win. The real issue is at what cost, especially to us non-Israelis.

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't say that they would welcome a U.S. occupation of their country, or even a war such as we saw in Iraq. There are better ways to go about it.
However, as opposed to the idea that some have suggested, the Iranians don't hate the United States in general. They may be suspicious, but a lot them also seem to have a don't care attitude. Which happens when your own government is like that in Iran.
I personally think the best thing we could do is simply provide them the means to rebel, and put into place a leader that isn't religious based.

Another side note, I think the Iranians may be developing a nuclear weapon (or the capability) simply to prevent war. Bush and his Axis of Evil caused a lot of problems. But what we did see was an invasion of Iraq, which had no WMD. The other member, North Korea, didn't face such, but instead got sanctions and the like. So it could seem to the Iranian government to be a better choice to get a nuclear weapon, and thus ward off a possible invasion.

I'd add that Iran faced war with Iraq (aided by the US) & threats by Saudi Arabia.
They have good reason to want nuclear capability as a threat to prevent war.
I'll tell yah....our worst enemy is prior policy by our own government.

 

[Tyler Durne]

Not at all Israel has over 267Nuclear bombs, the most advanced TROOPS in the world after the US. And is it America's Problem???

If they themselves say ''dont'' help us or we ''don't'' need your help why should we even thinking about starting a war we cant pay..


Ps: It would be a violention of International Law or is the US above International law?

Us is not above international law, but international law is not above US law or any other sovereign country with a constitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

News relating to the likelihood of Israel & US attacking Iran.....
Israel Blames U.S. for Media Reports About Iran Strategy - The Daily Beast

This suggests to me that US gov's leaks might be intended to thwart Israel's plans to attack Iran.
But I don't really know.

 

[1robin]

There's no question that Israel will win. The real issue is at what cost, especially to us non-Israelis.

A cost far less debilitating to Israel than to sit there until Iran builds and launches it's missles at them. The last part of your point would not be suffecient reason for Israel not to strike from their point of view nor should it be.