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10 outcomes on war with Iran

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by dyanaprajna2011, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. dyanaprajna2011

    dyanaprajna2011 Dharmapala

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    Armageddon Online - 10 Key Outcomes From War With Iran That Few Are Talking About

    Would it really be a good idea to go to war with Iran? Is it worth our security to protect Israel? And why can't we leave the Middle East alone? No good can come with going to war with Iran. And yet, it almost seems inevitable that we will. Will Washington really think this through?
     
  2. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man.

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    The whole middle-east debacle has been spun and convoluted so many times I really don't know whats going on anymore and who's telling the truth and who's lying. All I can say is I hope the individuals in control of the strings knows just what the hell their doing.
     
  3. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    Thought provoking my friend thanks for sharing. I think we need more people with cool heads
     
  4. K.Venugopal

    K.Venugopal Immobile Wanderer

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    I think it is well within Israel's moral right to stop Iran's nuclear bomb because Iran has declared that it will use it to nuke Israel. Israel has to ensure that it is a surgical operation where only the nuclear sites are targeted and they are able to strike all sites simultaneously.
     
  5. fulp

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    Or Stalingrad maybe? Yeah, and? That list is nuts, and not at all concerned with wether war with Iran makes the slightest sense to begin with (that whole threat scenario is so hyped up, meanwhile we pay off the people who ruin our economies, which kills an order of magnitude more people), or who gains from it.

    It also talks of "we", which is the disease of nationalism. Newsflash, unless you're rich and powerful, you're not going anywhere, much less to war. You can remain more or less unaffected by it or die in it -- for the benefit of someone else who will make *super* sure to remain safe and sound no matter what happens. Those are the options, "serving your country" isn't one of them, that's just cynical BS fed to those who fall for it.

    And yeah, none of that is even mentioning "but hey, that would make us Nazis (again)". The main bullet point, the one that is actually not just a childish red herring... it's always missing.
     
  6. fulp

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    On the other hand, the US is constantly declaring it wants to run the world and own space, so that kinda means 100+ nations are perfectly entitled to, you know, bring democracy to it.

    As for "stopping bombs" (lololol wtf), the US is also always blocking treaties that would hamper THEIR production of fissile materials, so the whole crap about non-proliferation is just that, crap. If they wanted that, they would make the steps. But they'd rather have the pseudo-threat and that figure head lunatic, so they have their pretext. They'd be ****** if Iran wasn't so conveniently *talking* (!) all the time, while the USA is encircling them with so much military hardware. You know, test out some weapons, that's basically what it's about. That's all, and the baser the real motivations, the more stern the proclamations of good intentions. That's the America we've come to know and lov-- err tolerate, until it goes the way of all empires.
     
  7. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist Staff Member Premium Member

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    Let me ask you a question. did you go to Afghanistan to protect Israel? how about Iraq? or perhaps Libya?

    trust me, if the US decides to go to war with Iran, its because they had a drawer military plan to do so for many years.
    please keep in mind that Iran has been used by the US up until the Islamic revolution along with Saudi Arabia in the two pillars policy. a strategic interest in the gulf has of course been essential long before this last showdown.

    half of the world is putting sanctions on Iran at the moment, not because of Israel, but because they are acting by their own foreign policy.
     
  8. work in progress

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    One of their outcomes (high oil prices) is a no-brainer, because Iran is situated right at the 30 mile wide choke point where all of the Gulf oil has to be shipped out to international markets.

    This Yahoo News video provides the quick rundown (starting with a map, which is a good idea these days) of the dangers facing large oil tankers as they carry 20% of the world's international petroleum supply through the Strait of Hormuz.

    Right now, with oil being virtually inelastic (supplies cannot be increased elsewhere), a loss of 20% of the world's oil means immediate crisis in all of the oil-dependent importing nations, like the U.S., Europe, India, China etc. The world price will soar as the spot markets dry up with all of the sudden demands for oil coming from all over the world for what little is available. The price of gas during a war with Iran is anyone's guess, but I am sure that it is the only reason why the Israel-AIPAC lobby and the armaments industry war lobbies have not been able to get that U.S. invasion they've been trying to get since Bush's 2nd term as President.
     
  9. work in progress

    work in progress New Member

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    This is total b.s. to put it politely, since the Supreme leader of Iran (it's not Ahmadinejad) said this recently: Khamenei Takes Control, Forbids Nuclear Bomb | IndianMuslimObserver.com
    “The Iranian nation has never pursued and will never pursue nuclear weapons. There is no doubt that the decision makers in the countries opposing us know well that Iran is not after nuclear weapons because the Islamic Republic, logically, religiously and theoretically, considers the possession of nuclear weapons a grave sin and believes the proliferation of such weapons is senseless, destructive and dangerous.”
    So, even if he is lying, the claim that Iran has declared that it will nuke Israel is a complete lie and fabrication.....and for what it's worth, Israel has been slyly threatening revenge nuclear attacks against its neighbours if provoked, for years!
     
  10. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    Wonderful points.


    I think one key idea here too is that we are a global society. We are interconnected. If Iran would develop nuclear weapons, or something else that would threaten that area, the United States is also threatened. And not just the United States, but much more as well. The middle east is an important area, and I think that is why so many have had their hands in their affairs.
     
  11. fulp

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    Of course it's an important area! Without it, wester nations might have to go cold turkey re: oil, and that might lead to good things and liberty, so that can't be allowed. And remember, when the US (or the NATO for that matter) rolls in with tanks, funds dictators and death squads (think south america), that's "stabilizing the region". That's important for everyone, the prosperity of Joe Sixpack is ensured with this. The heads of US corporations are actually making a loss, but they're making it gladly, when it comes to democracy and making sure grandma is safe and sound. Yup.
     
  12. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    Well I guess if one wants to take a very biased stance on the subject, then you're right. But then one has to explain why we don't seriously talk about going to war with other areas that we could take a lot of oil from. The middle east is not the only option here. It if was all about oil, we would probably think about attacking many other places. But we don't.

    The middle east though is in a very strategic area. Just look at what borders that area. Not to mention that there are a number of developing or developed countries there that supply us quite a bit, and we in turn supply them quite a bit. The economic impact would be quite significant, and not just for us. And if that economic impact is strong enough, we face even greater trouble.

    We are not dealing with an isolated area. We are dealing with an area that is very well interconnected not just to us, but for rest of the world. We are an interconnected society.
     
  13. fulp

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    Even if that were true, that's shoddy logic. I mean, suppose they were attacking someone else: then you could say "it's not about oil, because then we could also be attacking the Middle East". I mean, lol.

    Also, it's not true. Unless you want to ignore how much indirect attacking the US did in South America in the last century, or want to suggest attacking Russia or China right away, of course.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

    You could say that about anything. Anything you can say about anything, says nothing. So I can only shrug. That's all technically correct, but it simply doesn't say anything.

    And hey exactly BECAUSE we're an interconnected society, not a few people who aren't even Americans care more about and have more clue about what the US is doing, than the people in whose name and with whose money it's being done. However, that's a ******** argument for attacking Iran. "We're an interconnected society". It's "of strategic interest". Hmmkay.
     
  14. Asking

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    It would be a terrible idea if only because the US managed to make a complete mess of Iraq and Afghanistan and that was with some public support in those countries after the initial invasions. The US won't have any public support in Iran.

    If the US invades the civilian population is likely to turn against them immediately and they'll find it impossible to do anything under such circumstances. It would probably be better to simply annex the oil producing parts of Iran from the rest of the country than try and change the county as a whole.

    US air might should be sufficient to take out most of the military capability and nuclear facilities which Iran has.
     
  15. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    what if its a crushing victory?
     
  16. -Peacemaker-

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    If 100K Iranian citizens die in the process is it really a victory?
     
  17. apophenia

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    I never see an analysis of who owns the arms manufacturing corporations,and how much profit they make whenever the US goes to war, (win lose or draw).

    As if that wasn't even an issue.

    The fact that these companies, their CEOs and major shareholders are never talked about in the media is amazing. Obviously simply not newsworthy !

    Just for the record, does anyone here know how much profit American arms companies have made from Afghanistan and Iraq ?

    Do you care ? Have you ever asked ? Has anyone ever told you ?
     
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    And raise your hands all of you who can tell me how much money was involved in the 'Iraq Reconstruction Fund', and who managed that money ?

    Hint - the company builds oil pipelines in the middle east, and was heavily invested in by members of the Bush regime just prior to the invasion of Iraq.
     
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  19. fulp

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    Haliburton?

    And re: crushing victory.. victory for whom? When Americans say "we" (might attack Iran, or win against it), they're being funny I presume. Because they get ALL the costs, and none of the profit. You'll get more spying on Americans, more debt, more dead soldiers. And a bunch of BS to keep you warm at night, to make your insides all fuzzy. That has to be reward enough to be a disposable cog in the great man eating machinery. It's a great honour and the pinnacle of all things good and true. For God and country, good night.
     
  20. Iti oj

    Iti oj guru of the new rf Staff Member Premium Member

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    idk how bad off are they. if the rebuild really worked...maybe we could get isreal and saudia arabia to help
     
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