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Featured 10 laughably erroneous claims of the bible

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    1. Why in the world, to coin a phrase, is calling the circle of the earth saying it's flat? a sphere projects to a circle and why in the world, to use the phrase again, does the Bible say 'you make the earth to hang on nothing' It does not make your point

    2. the "Pillars" of the earth are figurative
    The universe is run by and preserved by God and as Colosians says 'he holds all things together'

    3. Waters above can be in the original but can also refer to clouds

    4. Stars are more general than the modern usage in the sky including planets meteors or even angels

    5. In a relative sense the earth is fixed compared to civilizations and other events

    6. physicists use accelerating frames of reference and in an accelerating frame of reference the sun is seen from the vantage of the earth as rising and falling and we speak in modern times as sunrise and sunset frequently

    7. some insects use 2 of the legs for other purpose nominatively

    8. the smallest of seeds in their experience, figuratively a very small seed

    9. insects are driven by instinct rather than forming strategies on the fly

    10. The Bible uses estimation and rounding however in the cases cited it could be also an inner diameter vs ouster diameter issue
     
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  3. shmogie

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    If you stand and do a 360 degree turn, and can always see the horizon during your turn, have you completed a circle or a sphere ? How would you describe what you just did to someone, and what is the conclusion of your description ?

    Determining what the Bible says and why is based upon exegesis. One must consider context, the translation from the original, the historical place and time, and the intent of the verse, paragraph, chapter and book. You must understand the audience if the words were spoken, or the primary then secondary readers of the written word.

    This is how you understand what is allegorical or literal.

    You do understand that there are a number of words translated as heaven with different meanings, don´t you ? How could water be in heaven ? Where does rain come from and where is evaporated water in the finite amount of water ¨stored" ?

    The verses you quoted in Revelation are not allegorical, they are literal. You missed my point. If something happens you have never experienced before and have no knowledge about how do you describe it ? You must use the words of the language you speak. If something looks a lot like a star, and you don´t know exactly what it is, is using star a giant error ? You are trying to describe to others what you have seen in the language you speak.

    John was given a vision and was literally told to write it down. He did using his vocabulary.
     
  4. Skwim

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    If nothing else it will be a good start.

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  5. shmogie

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    You have exegeted the verses, paragraphs, chapters and books to come to this conclusion. Or, as the case is, you simply believe what you say ?
     
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    What @shmogie does not appear to understand is that the people of that time and place thought that the world was flat and wrote of it as if it were. The Bible declares the world to be flat in word and deed which is why the Flat Earth believers are mostly extreme literalists when it comes to the Bible. They are only a small step removed from the YEC's which are only a small step removed from the OEC's.
     
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    And once again, you do not seem to realize that this is the problem with a literal approach to the Bible. Where does not decide what is literal and what is allegory, morality tales, parables, etc.
     
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    THE EXAGGERATED ABUNDANCE OF THE “PROMISED LAND”

    In the year 1553 Michael Servetus was on trial for his life in Geneva, Switzerland on the charge of heresy. One point raised by the prosecution was Servetus’s edition of Ptolemy’s Geography, in which Judea (the “promised land” of the Jews), was spoken of, not as “a land flowing with milk and honey,” but mainly meagre, barren, and inhospitable. In his trial this simple statement of geographical fact was used against him by Protestant Refomer, John Calvin, with fearful power. In vain did Servetus plead that he had simply drawn the words from a previous edition of Ptolemy; in vain did he declare that this statement was a simple geographical truth of which there were ample proofs; it was answered that such language “necessarily inculpated Moses, and grievously outraged the Holy Ghost.”

    A. D. White, A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, Vol. 1


    Lots and lots of exaggerations in the Bible.

    Exaggerations of Biblical Proportions
     
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  9. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    I highly doubt that the crucifixion itself was figurative. The Romans had a habit of crucifying upstart Jews just as much as the White supremacist terrorists had a habit of lynching "uppity negroes".So the event we call the crucifixion is likely to be factual
     
  10. Hubert Farnsworth

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    True. In fact, many of the Christians have accused me of copy pasting from anti-Christian sites when in reality, the majority of the verses I got directly from a Christian apologetic site that uses the bible to argue for a flat earth among other scientifically inaccurate claims.
     
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  11. viole

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    Incidentally, if its people are like grasshoppers, then by triangulation, we could calculate its distance from the surface of the earth.
    Not too far. For sure closer than the moon. I am not aware of any throne being seen in that area.

    Ciao

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  12. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    I ran your OP through 4 different plagiarism checkers and all of them suggest that there is significant plagiarism in your post. What do you have to say about that in your defense?
     
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    So it would be equally valid to say they can have five legs, three legs, or two legs, or one leg. :rolleyes: Truth of the matter is that grasshoppers, and locusts, which are actually several species of grasshopper, and beetles all have a total of six legs.


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    All insects have six legs. There are no exceptions. The front legs of many species have evolved with modifications adapting them to different lifestyles, but that does not change the genetic and developmental origin of those appendages as legs.
     
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    If the post does not fit, you must acquit?
     
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    Sometimes things are hard to understand because the symbolism is complex.
    Sometime, things are hard to understand because the author is babbling.
     
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    Right,
    right, and wrong. Servetus held religious beliefs contrary to that of Calvin and his followers, i.e. free will as opposed to pre destination. He had been preaching this in Geneva, was tipped off that the authorities were coming for him, so he fled.

    After some time he was lured back o Geneva on a safe pass, then arrested, Many outside of Geneva demanded he be freed. Calvin knew that Servetus would continue to be a thorn in his side, so a trumped up charge with physical evidence was created and he was executed.

    To this day those denominations that are pre destination in nature ala Calvin, can be shamed by this. They truly don´t like to hear about it. Usually it is brought up in theological debate when they attack Luther.
     
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    Quagmire Imaginary talking monkey
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    Ah I see, a "properly written prophecy' is actually an acedemac term specific to TitFotTatology.
     
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    Revelation of John, the original Jewish version ...
    historical-jesus.info/rjohn.html
    The Jewish original version of Revelation (or Apocalypse) of John, much more coherent than the final one, was written very likely (in Greek) late 70 or 71 C.E. in Syrian Antioch by a temple of Jerusalem ex-priest named John. This work offered an explanation for the holocaust of 70 C.E., with the destruction of Jerusalem & its temple, all of that at the hands of the Romans, and also a badly needed hope for the …
     
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  20. shmogie

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    Hmmmm, a fringe group, no doubt. I know of a well organized group of atheists who believe in UFOś, go figure.
     
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