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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Skwim, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. BilliardsBall

    BilliardsBall Well-Known Member

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    I made the assertion that people who despise the Bible get their logic and minds warped.

    Your response was not to assert or demonstrate your pure logic, but to attack the Bible, re-verifying my understanding and position!
     
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    What you've described is a culling or tightening of the gene pool--yes, basic theory--yet what others described is against statistical likelihood. One skeptic claimed 1 in 10 mutations moved apes to people! That's ridiculous.

    Also, your point 1 above AGREES with my statement. They are random mutations. Evolution cannot sidestep your steps 2-6 to heighten the efficiency of individual random mutations at step 2!
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    Where did you do that? I must hatve missed it. Let's see your calculations. Using the numbers I had the 300 million mutations were 300 million positive ones assuming a one in a million positive mutations rate. I will gladly go over the math again with you.
     
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    I don’t despite the Bible.

    What I do dislike is your interpretations of the Bible.

    You are pushing meaning into the Bible that don’t belong there, like when you attempt to mix Bible and science together.

    What you are doing is changing and twisting the contexts to fit with modern science, and you also trying twist science to fit the Bible...where and when it suits your agenda. That’s what I called “warping”.

    You love the bible so much that you are willing to distort both bible and science.

    You have perverted your own Bible, even if it meant trying to use deceptions or misinformation.

    If you think there are warped mind and logic, look in the mirror
     
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    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    The actual mutations may be random, but the mutations which are passed on from parent to offspring are NOT. The mutations which convey an advantage are the ones that are passed on. Different traits caused by these mutations are selected for by the natural pressures that the group of animals faces.

    For example, if there is a population living in an area that has occasional cold periods, then any individuals that have slightly thicker fur will have an advantage, since they are better able to survive the cold periods. As such, they will live longer and have more offspring, since living longer means more time for mating. And their offspring will likely carry the thicker-fur trait too.

    This is the essence of natural selection, the underlying mechanism by which evolution works.

    Your apparent lack of knowledge about this subject seems to eliminate you from any kind of reasonable discussion about it.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    So much for countenancing.
     
  7. BilliardsBall

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    My calculations are in the thread, feel free to reference my post, but do not again dare to twist what I wrote. POST what I wrote so we can all see your false claims.
     
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    If the Bible does not harmonize with science, you are saying that it's author is less intelligent than His creatures.
     
  9. Subduction Zone

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    You made false claims about my calculations and I am asking you too support them. And you are a best projecting your flaws upon others. I did not twist your claims, yet you either twisted or lied about mine.
     
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    Or, and I am just floating this out there, it was written by scientifically illiterate sheep herders. That would explain its poor science and bad morals.
     
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    No, I agree! After all, our species and others have the ability to target mutations and mutated cells and wipe them out, as most mutations are NOT beneficial.

    Natural selection can certainly help furrier :) animals survive cold conditions. They are not a new species quite yet! Next, explain how natural selections changes amoebas to people, showing steps taken, without hand-waving like "and then... organ systems form." Show the steps or some of the steps, so even a dolt like me can follow:

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    here are 39 steps with more to follow. I will answer questions:

    Systematic Classification of Life - YouTube
     
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    It isn’t just the Genesis creation.

    Job 38, 39, 40 & 41, God’s replies, bragging about his powers, clearly demonstrated that whoever was author, didn’t understand the science behind nature. They were nothing more than superstition and ignorance.

    The author, whoever he may be, clearly was telling story, not providing explanations of nature.

    The author have made God, by today’s standards in science, like a petty, vicious fool, with no understanding of science. As Subduction Zone said, the author is “scientifically illiterate”.
     
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    Or saying the Bible wasn't written by a deity, but by humans who were ignorant of the facts.
     
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    I do not see that his work is ridiculous. Explain how it is please.
     
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    Which skeptics are you saying make the claim? You're a skeptic of science. To be fair, you deny science or at least science that challenges your idea of an infallible Bible. An unnecessary burden you have placed on yourself, but I doubt revealing that means much to you.

    How do you know that he goes against all our current knowledge of mutations and selection, when you have revealed that you know very little, if any, of that current knowledge?
     
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    That is what the evidence would support. He views the Bible as if it were dictated by God, but I cannot imagine God would produce such an inconsistent document.
     
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    And there lies Billiardsball’s problem.

    He seriously think God wrote the Bible.

    Clearly he refused to see reasons.

    Like Dan said, there are too much inconsistencies, contradictions and errors for to be written by a deity.
     
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    Hey, it isn't as if god never made mistakes. In some ways god is all too human.


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    Too human, indeed.
     
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