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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Skwim, Feb 18, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    And other misleading pronouncements.
    by Ken Ham on February 11, 2019


    Ken Ham, true to form and not one to pass up an opportunity to mislead the gullible, repeats the old creationist canard that evolution can't explain biological origins. I know that just about every evolutionist here, and even some creationists, recognize the "crime," but I wanted everyone to know that despite being corrected time and again, people are still making the asinine assertion, and by the cream of the creationists no less. It sends the unequivocal message that: "We don't care that we have to lie in order to tear down evolution, as long as it works. We're lying for god!"

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    It would be amusing if it wasn't so harmful.



     
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    The fact that Ken Ham's name is on there should be enough to discredit the book.
     
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    Well, there is an element in the US that are solidly opposed to science and education.. Its definitely sad, but not surprising to me.
     
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    That works both ways.
     
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    As a fan of ham, I wish he'd change his name to Baloney.
    Or Mortadella.
     
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    Thing is, Ham is relying on no one knowing about it, and very few do.

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    Kennie could not even get a real publisher, he was forced to go with Masterbooks, a company that specializes in creationism bumph for the homeschooling market.
     
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    The numeric and semantic message of "037" that's been embedded in our genetic coding by our Creator gets conveyed to me who computes with a base 10 numeric system.

    This is evident to me by how each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us present day Earthling human beings with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

    The significance of the semantic message "037" embedded in our genetic coding is well-explained in the following journal articles: .
    Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 "Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

    NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_037_as_a_Base_of_Biological_CodingComputing

    The human genome has 145 "alien" genes that can't be linked to any of our distant past human ancestors; these genes are in our genome from the process of horizontal gene transfer. These 145 "alien" genes, which nobody inherited from any distant past terrestrial ancestor, might have been the result of genetic engineering by advanced extraterrestrial intelligence or from a post human futuristic civilization.

    Reference:

    Expression of multiple horizontally acquired genes is a hallmark of both vertebrate and invertebrate genomes
    Genome Biology201516:50
    Expression of multiple horizontally acquired genes is a hallmark of both vertebrate and invertebrate genomes
    • Received: 25 September 2014
    • Accepted: 4 February 2015
    • Published: 13 March 2015


    Cosmic ancestry theory can often explain the transitional evolutionary changes between species that aren't well-explained by traditional Darwinian evolution.

    Viruses can insert new genes, which have never before encountered by a species, to become part of the species' genome. These transferred genes are a vital part evolution. According to Cosmic Ancestry, the horizontal transfer of genes by viruses and other means is essential for evolutionary progress.

    Three New Human Genes
    and De Novo Genes in General | What'sNEW

    Entirely novel human-specific protein-coding genes originating from ancestrally noncoding sequences have been reported by two geneticists at the University of Dublin

    Reference:

    David G. Knowles and Aoife McLysaght, "Recent de novo origin of human protein-coding genes" [abstract], doi:10.1101/gr.095026.109, Genome Research, online 2 Sep 2009.
    Discovery of novel genes..., by EurekAlert!, 1 Sep 2009.
    Genes That Make Us Human, by Elizabeth Pennisi, ScienceNOW, 1 Sep 2009.
    Three human genes evolved from junk, by Michael Le Page, NewScientist, 3 Sep 2009.
    Which Genes Make Us Human? by Alan Boyle, MSNBC, 3 Sep 2009.

    ."Analyzing available data, they identified genes that are expressed in the human species but not in chimps. They then looked for simiar sequences in other primates, finding three. The chimp and macaque (unexpressed) sequences are nearly identical to the human one, but are interrupted by frameshifting insertions and stop codons.
    Although the three human genes are known to be expressed from several lines of evidence, their functions are not definitively characterized. However one, chronic lymphocytic leukemia upregulated gene 1 (CLLU1), appears to have a role in that human disease. Its sequence among humans, compared to the matching one in chimps and macaques, is illustrated below.

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    "Multiple sequence alignment of the gene sequence of the human gene CLLU1 and similar nucleotide sequences from the syntenic location in chimp and macaque. The start codon is located immediately following the first alignment gap, which was inserted for clarity. Stop codons are indicated by red boxes. The sequenced peptide identified from this locus is indicated in orange. The critical mutation that allows the production of a protein is the deletion of an A nucleotide, which is present in both chimp and macaque (indicated by an arrow). This causes a frameshift in human that results in a much longer ORF capable of producing a 121-amino acids-long protein. Both the chimp and macaque sequences have a stop codon after only 42 potential codons." © Genome Research 2009
    CLLU1 is also disabled by a matching point insertion in the gorilla and gibbon, but not orangutan, genomes. The geneticists reason, If the ancestral primate sequence was coding, then we would need to infer that an identical 1-bp insertion occurred in four lineages independently, whereas if we infer the presence of the disabler in the ancestral sequence, then we must infer two independent 1-bp deletions. The inference that the ancestral sequence was noncoding is a more parsimonious explanation of the data, even without considering that the parallel insertion of a specific base into an identical location is probably less likely than the parallel deletion of one base. ...We hypothesize that these genes have originated de novo in the human lineage, since the divergence with chimp from ancestrally noncoding sequence.

    Consider the human nucleotide sequence designated CLLU1, 121 codons in length. A codon, three nucleotides, may encode any of 20 amino acids, or a stop. (But this sequence is a gene, an open reading frame with no stops.)
    Assume that the protein encoded by this nucleotide sequence needs ~25%, or 30, of its codons exactly right. In other words, only 1 out of 21 codons can occupy each of those 30 positions. The chance that 30 random codons will match this sequence in one trial can be estimated as

    (1/21)^30 = ~10^-40
    Assume that the remaining 91 codons in this sequence may vary widely, encoding any of 10 of life's 20 amino acids, but no stops. In other words, 10 out of 21 codons can occupy each of those 91 codon positions. The chance that 91 random codons will satisfy these criteria in one trial is approximately

    (10/21)^91 = ~10^-30

    Combining these assumptions, the chance that a given sequence of 121 random codons will constitute a working version of this gene is on the order of

    10^(-40-30) = 10^-70 ..."

    (This method copies Chandra Wickramasinghe's in The Legacy of Fred Hoyle, reviewed 2005.)

    Reference: Metazoan Genes Older Than Metazoa?, 25 Oct 1996.

    "If a new genetic program arrives by the strong panspermia process, intervening (ancestral) species should possess either nearly identical versions of it ...or nothing similar.."
    Reference: New genetic programs in Darwinism and strong panspermia, 7 Apr 2002.
    .At least some of the silent DNA is for future use ."]Reference: Why Sexual Reproduction?, first posted May 1996.
    "Point mutations and other simple mechanisms can switch existing programs off and on."
    Reference: Testing Darwinism versus Cosmic Ancestry, 24 Nov 2002
    "This process would ...depend on sophisticated software management that can recognize an installed program."
    Reference: Duplication Makes A New Primate Gene, 21 Feb 2005.
    "New genetic programs will be continually offered for testing."
    Reference: How is it Possible?
     
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    It's always a lark to see them mention scientists but for some gosh dang reason cannot seem come up with any actual names like the kind you find in peer-reviewed journals and publications.
     
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    harmful?

    Darwin ordered Australian Aborigines to be captured live and taxidermied... that sounds harmful
     
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    Actually, I think he did.
    He was a European Christian after all. You know what those people are like:rolleyes:.
    They really did stuff like that.
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    I can't help but notice,
    Ham left Australia and settled about 100 miles south of where I live. What does that tell ya?
    Tom
     
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    You attract such people.
    Stop that!
     
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