“The world is ashes and the gods are a horror." --Bujold

[ppp]

IN the military it is understood that one should never give an order that one knows will not be obeyed. Now that SCROTUS is on your side what do you think will happen? Do you think that there are no provisions for underground railroads for abortions and the support of those in need? Do you think there will be compliance? Do you think there are enough police to enforce your will? When no one obeys, what will you do?

 

[Nakosis]

IN the military it is understood that one should never give an order that one knows will not be obeyed. Now that SCROTUS is on your side what do you think will happen? Do you think that there are no provisions for underground railroads for abortions and the support of those in need? Do you think there will be compliance? Do you think there are enough police to enforce your will? When no one obeys, what will you do?

I think the SCOTUS simple put it back into the hands of the people. We all now get to decide the morals values we choose to enforce.
SCOTUS, "Now you are free to choose for yourself what laws to enforce"
The People, "How dare you put that responsibility in our hands!"

 

[ppp]

I think the SCOTUS simple put it back into the hands of the people. We all now get to decide the morals values we choose to enforce.
SCOTUS, "Now you are free to choose for yourself what laws to enforce"
The People, "How dare you put that responsibility in our hands!"

So, should we overturn civil rights and women's suffrage and abolition as well? Put them back in the hands of the people... As you so speciously phrase it? How about child labor laws?

 

[Nakosis]

So, should we overturn civil rights and women's suffrage and abolition as well? Put them back in the hands of the people... As you so speciously phrase it? How about child labor laws?

Yes, well it is called democracy. How do you think we got rid of child labor laws in the first place?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

IN the military it is understood that one should never give an order that one knows will not be obeyed. Now that SCROTUS is on your side what do you think will happen? Do you think that there are no provisions for underground railroads for abortions and the support of those in need? Do you think there will be compliance? Do you think there are enough police to enforce your will? When no one obeys, what will you do?

Just a reminder, from the forum rules:

"6. Illegal Activities
Advocating or discussing personal engagement in illegal activities or criminal organizations (such as hate groups or terrorist groups) is prohibited in all areas of RF. Illegal activities are defined based on United States law, and include but are not limited to: drug use, theft, piracy, vandalism, and all violent crimes. Voicing opposition to illegal activities and criminal organizations, or debating changes to current criminal law, may be acceptable at the discretion of the RF staff."

 

[ppp]

Just a reminder, from the forum rules:

"6. Illegal Activities
Advocating or discussing personal engagement in illegal activities or criminal organizations (such as hate groups or terrorist groups) is prohibited in all areas of RF. Illegal activities are defined based on United States law, and include but are not limited to: drug use, theft, piracy, vandalism, and all violent crimes. Voicing opposition to illegal activities and criminal organizations, or debating changes to current criminal law, may be acceptable at the discretion of the RF staff."

Did I cross that line?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did I cross that line?

I don't know. Borderline, maybe. I didn't report it or anything. I just put that there for reference in case things got more heated.

 

[ppp]

Yes, well it is called democracy.

Are you under the impression that we are a pure democracy? Or that we were ever intended to be? We are a constitutional republic and a liberal democracy. Do you know what those terms mean?

 

[ppp]

I don't know. Borderline, maybe. I didn't report it or anything. I just put that there for reference in case things got more heated.

Thanks for the warning flag.

 

[Nakosis]

Are you under the impression that we are a pure democracy? Or that we were ever intended to be? We are a constitutional republic and a liberal democracy. Do you know what those terms mean?

Yes, I would assume everyone here does so it doesn't have to be spelled out every time.

 

[ppp]

Yes, I would assume everyone here does so it doesn't have to be spelled out every time.

I am unconvinced that you do.
If you understood that, then you would understand that your statement "Yes, well it is called democracy." does not support your blythe dismissal of abolition, labor laws, suffrage, or civil rights. Each of which was a recognition that the so-called egalitarian principles of the constitution were only being applied to specific privileged groups. And that recognition has always been preceded by violence, usually initiated by the government through various enforcement agencies against the oppressed. It's a tale as old as time.

 

[Nakosis]

I am unconvinced that you do.
If you understood that, then you would understand that your statement "Yes, well it is called democracy." does not support your blythe dismissal of abolition, labor laws, suffrage, or civil rights. Each of which was a recognition that the so-called egalitarian principles of the constitution were only being applied to specific privileged groups. And that recognition has always been preceded by violence, usually initiated by the government through various enforcement agencies against the oppressed. It's a tale as old as time.

Sorry, you have no idea what I do or don't understand and I think you are making this a personal attack instead of a discussion. So hey, have a nice life.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, well it is called democracy. How do you think we got rid of child labor laws in the first place?

Abandoning archaic subjective beliefs in non-existent moral absolutes, obviously.

 

[Sheldon]

Just a reminder, from the forum rules:

"6. Illegal Activities
Advocating or discussing personal engagement in illegal activities or criminal organizations (such as hate groups or terrorist groups) is prohibited in all areas of RF. Illegal activities are defined based on United States law, and include but are not limited to: drug use, theft, piracy, vandalism, and all violent crimes. Voicing opposition to illegal activities and criminal organizations, or debating changes to current criminal law, may be acceptable at the discretion of the RF staff."

What's your point?

 

[Nakosis]

Abandoning archaic subjective beliefs in non-existent moral absolutes, obviously.

When did that happen? Atheists are still a minority.

 

[ppp]

Sorry, you have no idea what I do or don't understand and I think you are making this a personal attack instead of a discussion. So hey, have a nice life.

Well, I have some idea of what you do and don't know from how you choose and use words. Cause that's how words work. We are not a pure democracy and the constitution was specifically designed to mitigate some of the issues that come along with a pure democracy's proverbial tyranny of the majority or mob rule. When you say, "Yes, well it is called democracy," you are ignoring a very important safeguards that are supposed to be inherent to our governmental system.

If you feel that addressing those choices and their ramifications constitutes a personal attack...well, I cannot help how you feel.

 

[ppp]

When did that happen? Atheists are still a minority.

With the rise of the values of individual liberty, scientific reasoning, and religious tolerance, and the opposition to fixed religious dogma and monarchial governments.

You know. The Enlightenment.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, well it is called democracy. How do you think we got rid of child labor laws in the first place?

Abandoning archaic subjective beliefs in non-existent moral absolutes, obviously.

When did that happen? Atheists are still a minority.

So are stamp collectors, what has that to do with my point?

 

[Nakosis]

So are stamp collectors, what has that to do with my point?

That I don't believe your point is valid.

 

[Wildswanderer]

IN the military it is understood that one should never give an order that one knows will not be obeyed. Now that SCROTUS is on your side what do you think will happen? Do you think that there are no provisions for underground railroads for abortions and the support of those in need? Do you think there will be compliance? Do you think there are enough police to enforce your will? When no one obeys, what will you do?

Did you feel this way about the vaccine too?