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“Schizophrenia” is two things

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Eddi, Oct 23, 2021.

  1. Eddi

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    “Schizophrenia” is two things:
    1. A medical diagnosis
    2. A label used to shut down and dismiss those who challenge "reality"
    That's what I think.
     
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  2. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Why challenge? Was that an intentional word choice?
     
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    2 can be the case for some ignorant people. So try to show you are rational, reasonable and take your medication, in time, we get better.
     
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    Pay no attention to Eddi, he's quite mad.....
     
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    Don't give up, we will learn in time, how to interact with people. The illness makes you anti-social, and so we gain some ackwardness when are away from people for a while. Fight it off, meet people, talk with people.

    And don't talk philosophy or religion with a Psychiatrist or Psychologist or Psychotherapists, it shows you are not that well. They aren't experts in that, so you should not bring it up. It's a sign you are obsessed over it and even talk to the doctors about it. Talk about how you are doing and how he or she can help you medication wise or psychologically to overcome challenges the illness may cause.
     
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    Also, there is nothing wrong medically to be obsessed over religion. But if you constantly loop through it, that you can't take care of yourself or get a career or job or anything going in your life, then it's a problem to let it distract you from all that. You can be passionate in philosophy and religion, but that should not deter you from career, etc, but in fact, it should help you get on your way.

    The doctors are all trying to help you. Be they atheists or theists, doesn't matter, they see cognitive function and to even mention religion to them or philosophy is a sign, you don't understand what their function is or what your illness is.
     
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  7. Eddi

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    The mere existence of some points of view constitute a challenge to the agreed-upon reality

    Indeed the mere existence of some individuals constitute a challenge to the agreed-upon reality

    Hence certain ideas and individuals must be dismissed - swept away, lest they challenge other people to question "reality" and perhaps see things differently - and in so doing make changes to the social order
     
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    The system works!
     
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    @Link you speak wise words :)
     
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    Thank you. Try to have a lot of self-compassion for yourself. The illness makes us care more about the world and forget about ourselves. Take care of yourself so you can help the world.

    If you don't help yourself, you won't be able to make an impact that you want to nor change the system for better.

    :)
     
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  11. WisdomAddict

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    its a label they put on `awakened` individuals to isolate them to prevent
    more people became enlightened as well., if they become enlightened they wont work for their
    `manufactured reality` that they design to enslave humanrace...

    short long story that i have book about...
    you can consider it as `Matrix` trilogy...as well
    (conspiracy(real!) theory blah blah blah) lol
     
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    From "The Troubled Mind" -

    What exactly is schizophrenia? You could look it up in Google I suppose but I have a few snippets I have collected over the years since I was first diagnosed.

    Here is an excerpt from a book I found at the library, called "The Troubled Mind" by Solomon Snyder :

    Since the beginnings of recorded history, man has been fascinated with the insane, with their deranged feeling, thinking, and behaviour. Insane people with fanciful delusions have at times attracted large numbers of adherents, who looked upon their psychotic leaders as prophets or as saviours of some sort. The alluring properties of the "prophet's" message may be more than just a beckoning of a way to escape from the boredom of everyday life. I suspect that many followers are riveted by a peculiarly intoxicating quality of psychotic ecstasy conveyed by the "mad" leader.

    The psychiatric disease that converts man into an other-worldly creature - at once wiser than the wisest of the sane and yet so deeply troubled that he suffers more than a terminal cancer patient - is surely schizophrenia. Because of his bizarre loss of contact with everyday
    reality, the schizophrenic can appeal to us as a messiah bearing the message of the infinite. For our conception of the universe is bounded by the straitjacket of conventional thinking processes. A schizophrenic's self-perception is so fragmented that he seems to function at a different plane of consciousness from the rest of humanity. Some psychiatrists who have dealt extensively with schizophrenics even wonder whether the schizophrenic's "psychotic" perception of the world might not conform more to ultimate reality than does our sane vision.

    Wishing you all the best!
     
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    As I've said before; I think most people would not discriminate against someone simply based on their divergent view of reality. The problem arises when one of the individuals feels compelled to convince others that their version of reality is wrong.

    Maybe it would be helpful to analyze this. Is there a problem when individuals have divergent views? If so, who is instigating the problem?
     
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    How does one challenge "reality" (assuming you mean pragmatic or transactional reality)?
     
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    By positing an alternative model regarding what reality is truly like
     
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    Which is what happens all the time to me

    Doctors, nurses, social workers. They are not philosophers or scholars of religion. But they all tell me that my version of reality is mistaken!
     
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    Are you trying to convince them that you're right?
     
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    No!

    Merely explaining why I believe what I believe!
     
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    The only advice I can offer would be to try to keep it simple when explaining things to folks who are evaluating you professionally. Drs, nurses, social workers may be inclined to look for problems; it's their bias. Maybe by accepting this bias and adjusting how you speak about your beliefs will give them less reason to discriminate.
     
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    @Eddi,

    It's not optimistic :) it's a legitimate skill to recognize the consensus reality and adapt to it as needed.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality

    The idea is, in a clinical setting it's normal and natural to label symptoms and develope a diagnosis. The consensus of those people is one thing. But in other settings, among your friends we accept your beliefs and their trajectory. For us, your friends, it's a different consensus.

    The challenge becomes adapting to the different consensuses. It's a skill.
     
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