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“things that make you go huummm.”

HOGCALLER

Active Member
Below is the result of an Arsenio Hall moment I had, you know, “things that make you go huummm.”

First, some background:

Associated Press
Feb. 14, 2005 06:39 AM

ATLANTA - For hours, Ashley Smith gently talked to the armed suspect in Atlanta's courthouse slayings, turning from hostage to confidant as they discussed God, family, pancakes and the massive manhunt going on outside her apartment.

"I believe God brought him to my door," Smith said Sunday, only hours after her 911 call ended a manhunt for Brian Nichols, who is accused of shooting four people since Friday.

Over the course of the night, Nichols untied Smith, and some of the fear lessened as they talked. Nichols told Smith he felt like "he was already dead," but Smith urged him to consider the fact that he was still alive a "miracle."

"You're here in my apartment for some reason," she told him, saying he might be destined to be caught and to spread the word of God to fellow prisoners. She told him his escape from authorities had been a "miracle." . . .

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Monday that a courthouse surveillance camera recorded Nichols' initial surprise attack on Deputy Cynthia Hall but that no one in the control center noticed the assault.

"It's not just horrible, it was preventable," Senior Superior Court Judge Philip Etheridge told the newspaper.

A video camera, which is supposed to be monitored by two guards in a command post, shows Nichols and the deputy arriving in the holding area between two courtrooms, according to a law enforcement official who saw the tape. The video shows Hall guiding Nichols, whose hands are still handcuffed behind his back, into one of two open cells.

Hall releases one cuff and turns Nichols around to unhook the remaining cuff. But the muscular, 33-year-old Nichols then lunges at Hall, knocking the petite, 51-year-old grandmother backward into another cell. Both disappear from camera view. Two to three minutes later, Nichols emerges from the cell, holding Hall's gun belt and police radio. He picks up her keys from the floor and locks her in the cell.

A few minutes later, he emerges in civilian clothes. He locks the door behind him and calmly walks out of the holding area, carrying the gun belt, according to the official who saw the tape.

Judge Etheridge said Hall should not have been alone with Nichols, a former college linebacker who had been found with two sharpened door hinges in his socks earlier in the week.

The above is a quote from: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0314CourthouseShooting14-ON.html

So let me get this straight, God arranged it for deputy Hall, and deputy Hall alone, to escort Nichols. God arranged for the two deputies that were supposed be monitoring the surveillance camera not to be there doing job their job. Then God arranged for Nichols, a man that brutally, repeatedly raped and sodomized a woman over a three-day period, to kill three people in the process of making his divinely arranged “miraculous escape.” Then God led Nichols to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent David Wilhelm to kill him before He led him on to Ashley Smith. Have I got it straight?

I’m sorry but I don’t get it. Maybe you can help me to understand.

What god is it that operates in that fashion and that also leads his people to believe and to claim that it is OK that he operates in such a fashion? Can you tell me? I want to know so I can avoid that “God.”

That is not the God I worship!



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linwood

Well-Known Member
I want to know so I can avoid that “God.”

I just avoid all of them.
It`s safer that way.

:)
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
How do you know that Smith didn't mean God brought Nichols to her house instead of her neighbor's or someone else's house? It's a bit of an assumption to take it that Smith meant "I believe God allowed people to be shot so Nichols could talk to me."

It is, indeed, a thing that makes me go "HMMM... why do people insist on assuming?"
 

HOGCALLER

Active Member
Jensa said:
How do you know that Smith didn't mean God brought Nichols to her house instead of her neighbor's or someone else's house? It's a bit of an assumption to take it that Smith meant "I believe God allowed people to be shot so Nichols could talk to me."

It is, indeed, a thing that makes me go "HMMM... why do people insist on assuming?"
Let's ASSUME that you are correct as to what she meant, even though it is not what she said, what would that change?

God took still a hand in it.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
You're arguing with the wrong person, here. :D I'm not in any way of the JudeoChristian persuasion. I imagine the response to that would be that God works in mysterious ways, though. As a sidenote, she didn't say what you said, either.
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
HOGCALLER said:
What god is it that operates in that fashion and that also leads his people to believe and to claim that it is OK that he operates in such a fashion? Can you tell me? I want to know so I can avoid that “God.”
That is not the God I worship!
I don't pretend to understand why things happen the way they do, but here is my take on it.

I'm reading (again) a book by Rick Warren called "A Purpose Driven Life" and in it he asserts that none of this is about "us". It is about God and what brings glory to God.

God did not do this. The situation was created because of choices that humans made. Remember, we have free will. However, out of this tragedy, God's glory still shines through. This man shot and killed several people and yet he not only did not kill this woman, but actually listened to her and then turned himself in.

Now I can sit and theorize about why God allowed so many innocent people to die or wonder if this means that this man will eventually find salvation when perhaps his victims hadn't...and now can't because their lives were cut short or get angry at God because He doesn't fit my preconceived ideas of how a *real* God should behave.

I won't do any of those things. I have faith in my God and know that everything that happens does so for His reasons and to His glory...even if I don't understand it. In this case, I think it is miraculous that this man picked on a Christian...and that he listened to what she had to say. I hear people talking about how miracles don't occur anymore. I think they happen more often than we recognize.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
It rains on the just and the unjust alike. God does not punish or reward people like that.

God deals with a far larger picture than we can imagine.
 

HOGCALLER

Active Member
Let me make this very plain, I am not bashing Ashley Smith!! What I am bashing is the commonly held beliefs that she expressed. I used that example because it is fresh on everyone’s mind. I have quotes expressing the very same ideas made by Columbine survivors and I could have used them just as well.

The point is made in the question: "What god is it that operates in that fashion and that also leads his people to believe and to claim that it is OK that he operates in such a fashion?"

Remember: "She told him his escape from authorities had been a "miracle."" Where did she get that idea? If this were the first time to hear such an idea I would dismiss it but I hear similiar statements made often. Why? What are people being taught or not taught that makes them believe that about their "God?" And who is behind really behind such a belief? Could it be . . . ? I feel a "Church Lady" moment coming on!
 
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