we could read Colossians 1 :15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or...
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17...
My point was to do with the fact that certain words were deliberately mis-used so as to make it appear that they support the trinity fallacy so it is not a whole different subject - it’s ANOTHER part of the SAME subject.
I understand that in most cases it means the firstborn, 1) of man or beast; 2) of Christ, the first born of all creation. [prototokos - compound from protos meaning 1) first in time or place, a. in any succession of things or persons; 2) first in rank, a. influence, honor, b. chief, c...
"I and the Father are one." doesn't mean that Jesus is God.
“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings, are identical with the Will of the Father. Jesus and God also share the same Holy Spirit, so in that sense they are one. Jesus also...
So should I believe you or Jesus and/or John?
Jesus said, in John 14:7, "If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Of course believing in God, the Trinity, the truth of Scripture, eternal life, etc. are all by faith. If they were...
4416. prototokos pro-tot-ok'-os from 4413 and the alternate of 5088; first-born (usually as noun, literally or figuratively):--firstbegotten(-born).
“the firstborn of all creation.” This phrase refers to Christ being the firstfruits of those raised from the dead (cp. 1 Cor. 15:20). The Greek is...
This is a roundabout way of claiming that Jesus is not God. God exists in three forms: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. One of these is visible: Jesus Christ; the other two are not.
That is why Jesus said this: "If you have known me, you will know my Father too. And from now on you...
And as you mentioned in the following thread yesterday, the Bible states that God is spirit.
Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation
Please note that Colossians1:15 says that God is invisible.
Jesus was visible so that is one way we know that Jesus was not God.
God became visible in Jesus and then Jesus manifested God.
Jesus was a perfect reflection of God, a mirror image of God, but not God incarnate.
Colossians 1
14 In...
Don't bother to post verses from Paul, since I don't believe everything he said is true, and I do not believe that Jesus had any part in creating the world.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Jesus is not God so Jesus did not create the the heaven and earth.
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I suggest that you read other versions besides the King James translation, as it is too easy to misinterpret what was written by viewing through "a 21st Century lens".
Why do you think that verse 3 doesn't apply to the Word, when the previous two verses are clearly about the Word (Jesus)?
Here...
My Friend do you understand the english language?
BURIED (dead) and then RAISED, (Resurrected). This very clearly points to something having died, then buried, being raised up, not something else, but the same, yet now eternal!! Where it will no longer, decay, die or be subject to the...
I'm not going into the type of discussion (sorry about that) that
"God (the Father) is greater than the fleshly body he made himself to dwell in and sacrifice for sin." Because that's just about as inconceivable as Spinoza's and Einstein's god -- i.e., that god is nature and in everything type...
YoursTrue,
I already explained God (the Father) is greater than the fleshly body he made himself to dwell in and sacrifice for sin. But that body had weaknesses like we do. He had to live a perfect life in order to be that perfect sacrifice. So the flesh had to lean on the Spirit for...
Human gods and demon gods are just rulers. They don't belong in the category of a God who creates. Otherwise, that would be polytheism.
Jesus creates:
Colossians1:15-17 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in...
Jesus never promised to return to earth, not once in the New Testament. Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world.
That means that the return of Christ has to be another Person.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I...
So you have a Modalist View? I don't accept this view for the following reasons:
Jesus speaks of fulfilling the Father’s will and following his commands.
In the beginning, Jesus (the Word) was there with God (the Father).
Jesus looked up and prayed to the Father.
OK, I see the post you are referring to, thank you for your response. Now here's something I was thinking about regarding the concept that God is three persons said to be one God all equal to the other --
Jesus is the image of God, right? Colossians1:15 says this.
"He is the image of the...