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  1. Ebionite

    Why exactly is Satan bad?

    Another example is the Satan who provoked David to number Israel: And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1 And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1
  2. U

    Jesus - First Born?

    Satan as resister Devil as slanderer Serpent as deceiver Dragon as destroyer Thus Satan is a title and Not Satan's personal name. 1st Chronicles 21:1 is going against what God already wanted. - Please read Numbers 1:47-49 as to what God wanted. David sinned by counting the people when it was...
  3. Ebionite

    Jesus - First Born?

    It was never about "God". And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1, JKV LORD is a translation of YHWH, but Elohim, not YHWH, is translated as "God'. The point is that in this context YHWH...
  4. U

    Jesus - First Born?

    The 'he' referred to is Satan at 2nd Sam. 24:1 because Satan moved David....1st Chronicles 21:1 ( 'he' Satan) God sent Joab to warn David - Please see 2nd Sam. 24:3 - David ignored Joab - 1st Chron. 21:4 Perhaps an English teacher can better explain why the pronoun 'he' in the immediate context...
  5. Ebionite

    Jesus - First Born?

    In 2nd Samuel "he" is YHWH, since that is the immediate context. And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1
  6. Soapy

    Jesus - First Born?

    The correct translation is ‘The Satan’. We only say, ‘Satan’, without the ‘definite’ article (‘The’) because ONLY ONE RECOGNISABLE Angel is called so. And YES, any number of angels or/and humans CAN ALSO be called ‘Satan’…in which case the INDEFINITE ARTICLE would be used ‘A Satan’. The same...
  7. U

    Jesus - First Born?

    I find 1st Chronicles answers as to who is the ' he ' is mentioned at 2nd Sam. 24:1 The ' he ' is Not YHWH but Satan as mentioned at 1st Chronicles 21:1 God (YHWH) used JOAB to dissuade David - see 2nd Sam. 24:3-4 - but David chose his own way. David's word prevailed against JOAB's. David...
  8. Ebionite

    Jesus - First Born?

    The title of Satan is applied to more than one being. And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1
  9. Subduction Zone

    Bible contradictions

    Aha! That explains why God got so mad when he ran a census:p:p
  10. paarsurrey

    Bible contradictions

    Thanks for the above link. I am giving first page of it here ( while going through the contradiction I found that contradiction #1 to #25 belong to OT): 1.Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) 2.In that count how...
  11. joelr

    Is Satan capable of good?

    Satan changed. He was the Angel of Yahweh, one of the Sons of Yahweh and formed an identity throughout the OT. Then he became a devil from syncretic borrowings from Persia and Greek underworld stories. Modern ideas are from later times, some early, some Middle Ages.
  12. Ebionite

    Isaiah says God will kill Jesus?

    Satan is a title, not a proper name. And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1 And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the...
  13. Ebionite

    Is Satan capable of good?

    No, Satan is simply a role or title. And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Samuel 24:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:1
  14. Ebionite

    Religious Prejudice

    James' argument for justification by works is supported by Ezekiel: But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Ezekiel 18:21 Justification by faith relates to the...
  15. Ebionite

    Is Satan capable of good?

    The core argument isn't about what is written, it's about the interpretation of what is written. Fundamentally, your argument is a equivocation fallacy because of your assumption that the Satan of Job is the same as any other Satan. Your response to my repeated point that Satan is a title, not...
  16. Kenny

    The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution

    That is kind of skewed. :D The story is that King David existed and the reference House of David is correct- check The story is that he was a king - check That they had fought Moab as per book of Kings- check. The story that he built a palace - check So it DOES support the stories. No... that...
  17. Subduction Zone

    The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution

    Those just show that he existed. There is nothing that supports the stories of the Bible. There was a king David and he fought in some wars. Okay. And yes, take the David and Goliath story. There are quite a few mythological elements to that story. Just the size of Goliath at 9' 9"...
  18. David Davidovich

    Christian Belief in Satan

    Right. But let me quote @cOLTER's article again: However, Jehovah's Witnesses are glad to translate ha satan (which is in the Hebrew) as a personal name with a captial "S" even though the Hebrew language doesn't dictate it that way. But inconsistently, they make a big deal about the second...
  19. David Davidovich

    Christian Belief in Satan

    I'm confused. Because I thought that the article that you provided was really good and really summarized and explained well the evolution of the concept of Satan. For example: But yet, cOLTER, you say: Therefore, the article that you provided demonstrates the opposite of what you are actually...
  20. David Davidovich

    For Torath Mosheh Jews Only: Who is Hashem?

    And why is that? :confused:
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