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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Where do you think I demanded a timeline? I asked you when I could expect an answer... If you are unable or unwilling to answer my question, that's fine too. Just say so.
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Just stick to the topics and let's see how it goes. I sincerely don't know what you're reading as snark in my posts. You tend to be quite vague in your objections and so I have to ask the same question repeatedly, and for that reason I have been direct with you. If that is upsetting to you or...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hi sojourner, My primary goal here was to--sans any evidence to the contrary--get you to concede that the Trinity doctrine is not taught explicitly in scripture. I appreciate that you did that. Regarding your belief that this supposed central doctrine of Christianity is still in the scriptures...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Thank you for conceding this simple fact. I agree with the New Catholic Encyclopedia were it says: "The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hi Kelly, I appreciate hearing your views even where we might disagree. The Scriptures show that God does love all people. But 'the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one', so he will not take direct action to upend the current state of things until the reserved 'Day of Jehovah'. As...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Again, I said that the Trinity doctrine was not plainly taught in scripture. You said that it was. Is this your concession that it is not taught plainly in scripture? I thought you said you had already done your due diligence here; when can I expect an answer?
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    What you provided did not say anything like "God is three in one". Can you point me to an explicit teaching of the Trinity doctrine in the Bible? How do you explain this supposed contradiction?
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Thank you for your response, 101G. I respectfully disagree with some of your conclusions above, for many of the same reasons I've already posted. All my best to you!
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello, Except that's quite literally what Revelation 11:17 says, "Lord God Almighty...you have taken your great power." The underlying Greek word for "receive" at Revelation 4:11 is just another form of the same Greek word rendered "taken" at Revelation 11:17 where it is certain that the...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello, I said that the Trinity doctrine, which is purported to be the central doctrine of Christianity, is not taught plainly in scripture. Your response was that it is in fact taught plainly, at John 1 and where it's said that Jesus was resurrected. That is not the Trinity doctrine taught...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    In all sincerity, I don't see how that would follow at all. Nowhere in scripture is Jesus called "God manifest" as you call him, but rather he is called "the last Adam." (1 Corinthians 15:45) The atonement required to set the human family free from bondage to sin and death required an 'eye for...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello Kelly, The scriptures show that while God is indeed all powerful, that doesn't mean he cannot exercise his power selectively. For example, we have this example recorded for us in scripture: "[Israel] will, however, become subject to [Shishak, king of Egypt], so that they may learn the...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello, I asked for a place in scripture that plainly teaches the Trinity doctrine, so why are you giving vague references intended to prove Jesus is God? Explicit proof of the Trinity doctrine would require something along the lines of: 'There are three persons making up the one God.' Where is...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello, Thanks for your reply. Specifically, it is servants of the true God, invested with authority and power by him, that are sometimes called 'gods' and/or 'sons of God' in scripture. Moses was called such, as well as angels and human judges of Israel. When Jesus was confronted by his...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hi 101G, I certainly agree with the above verses. But you asked how it is that the Almighty God can receive power. And that is the simple answer. God is taking back power from Satan that rightfully belongs to himself. (I already noted that God allowed Satan to have that power temporarily.)...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Please point me to a place in the Bible that plainly teaches the Trinity doctrine. Well it was Jesus that called Satan "the ruler of this world". Was Jesus teaching something false?
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    I'm curious what you make of verses like these: "I [God] said, 'You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you.'" (Psalms 82:6) "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said, you are gods"?...and Scripture cannot be broken—'" (John 10:34-35)
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hi 101G, We agree that the Father is the Almighty, but we also have to concede that Satan is, for a time, "the ruler of this world". (John 12:31). God has allowed him to have that power. What we're reading in Revelation 4:11 and Revelation 11:17 is the future event when God actually takes...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    Hello 101G, Just for your information, I'm not a Trinitarian, but I believe the one sitting on the throne in Revelation chapters 4 and 5 is indeed the Father. How is it then that he is said to "receive glory and honour and power"? The very next verse continues: "Then I saw in the right hand...
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    Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

    I think that's commendable. If the Trinity doctrine is something that should be accepted by Christians, I'm curious why, in your view, the Bible itself doesn't just come right out and explain it in the language of the creeds or at least something along the lines of the picture you posted, e.g...
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