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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Great to meet you. I have no horse in this race. I do believe in the God represented in the Bible but I am strongly convinced that the Bible itself is extremely fallible due to mans influence in the transference over time. I believe this is true of the New Testament as well as the Tanakh. That...
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    Why I believe God's knowledge is limited.

    Scriptures that indicate God has limited His knowledge. There are many passages in the Bible that indicate God does not necessarily know what man will do. The following are just a few of them. This picture of a creator who chooses to not know what his creature will do shows up right at the...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    yes...doing the right thing for the right reason is the point. Intentions and motives are crucial to pleasing the Father.
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    I still don't follow. He taught the same law. What "advanced statement" are you referring to?
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Here's what you aren't getting my friend. According to the Torah and the prophets the law DOESN'T change. Not even the smallest "jot or tittle" to quote a famous rabbi . The law has always been presented in its "truest form". To suggest it wasn't is to suggest the Father failed when...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Let me take a crack at this one: "And the Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that (for this purpose) He might preserve us alive, as it is this day. Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    I don't follow the logic. It's the same covenant based off of the same law of Moses. There is only ONE place in the Tanakh that literally mentions the "New" Covenant and it's in Jeremiah 31. Allow me to quote the prophet: 31“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Where in the Bible (Besides Paul's letters) does it say that the law has changed or that righteousness has changed?
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    You are really painting your own ideas into the text. You are talking about "different levels of righteousness" were the text does not say that. You said Paul is "always speaks about perfect righteousness" which isn't the case either. You are complicating a very simple issue because there is...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    This is actually the exact same concept Moses taught. It's never been about "doing it on our own". It's been about putting God's word into our lives (practice). It takes our free will choice to act on God's principals but He enables us once we start. I guess I don't understand your point
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    I just checked it out. Very well articulated argument. Very comforting to find more people who are seeing the same issues in the Bible. It's one of those things where it's hard to see until you let yourself see it. We have all been conditioned to accept the 27 letter canon of Athenasius as if it...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    You may want to test that verse from 2 Peter. Second Peter: Reference to Paul Good article on the topic
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    This is the best argument I've seen yet. The argument that Paul is using hyperbole. I struggle with this line of thinking and here is why. Paul fully believed and taught that righteousness was a free gift that had nothing to do with our actions. Unmerited favor where we have nothing to do with...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Paul wants us to believe that no one becomes righteous through the works of the Law. But there are many whom God called "righteous". From Genesis 7:1 where He says to Noah, "I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation", all the way through to the New Testament where Yeshua...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    exactly....to suggest otherwise is to call Hashem a liar
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    In Paul's string of quotes here in Romans 3 he continues to take snippets of Scripture out of their context from Psalm 5:9, Psalm 140:3, Psalm 10:7, Isaiah 59:7,8, and Psalm 36:1. In each and every case, the unrighteous individuals spoken of in these passages are specifically evil men, and in...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    yes...I am very aware of the ebionites. They were staunchly against Paul
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    I am intrigued. Thank you for sharing this. I wasn't aware of any Christian group that rejects Paul.
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Of the 22 times in the Bible where Paul is referred to as an "apostle", only twice is he referred to as an apostle by someone other than himself! These two instances came from the same person. Not from Yeshua, or any of the original apostles, but from Paul's close traveling companion and...
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    Did Paul misquote scripture on purpose?

    Yes
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