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  1. Jane D.

    God is the devil??

    Okay...last night, John D. and I may have been slightly tipsy and I think i would like to expand a bit on the theory that I was trying to get across. In al actuality, I'm inclined to believe that there is not a requirement for everything to balance. However, I have heard this argument sooo many...
  2. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    I think that this is where I'm having a problem. I don't consider right and wrong to be decided by a law-maker. I think that they are universal truths, and just because God says its bad to eat an apple, doesn't make it true. I think true right, true goodness....they are above the power of...
  3. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    So, are you saying that God wanted us to consume that fruit?
  4. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    No, I'm not sure that I am following you. I don't get what is innately wrong about the act of eating from that tree. And I don't see how ignorance is beneficial to God or us at all. If we are ignorant of what is right and what is wrong, then I'm just trying to figure out what the point in us...
  5. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    I guess I just don't get it...can i get a detailed explination of what exactly happened when the fruit was eaten?
  6. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    Okay...so, we had knowledge enough to commit evil deeds before we ate from the tree of knowledge. So what exactly did the tree of knowledge do to us?
  7. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    Do you think we would be able to make this decision withought the knowledge of evil? The reason I worded it this way, is because our fate was not rested on a decision that had anything to do with right or wrong. It had only to do with following the rules. "Don't eat the fruit." The action...
  8. Jane D.

    What defines right?

    Curiousity....does this mean that we should ask for forgivness for not following the old rules? For example, there are MANY specific rules and regulations in Dueteronomy (sp?) that would be quite silly to follow today, and nobody does. But I also never hear of anyone saying that we should ask...
  9. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    In that particular story, the serpent sure seems like the good guy to me.....and I think I will start another thread on that since I can go so much deeper into that. To add to your college example -- You do have a choice whether or not to go to class. If you do go, you gain knowledge, which...
  10. Jane D.

    Ah...free will

    So, did God really give us free will?? He may have given us the ability to choose freely, but then he ripped that out of our hands by basically saying "Here you go, I'm giving you this wonderful gift of free will, now don't use it to make any choices except the ones that I want you to make, or...
  11. Jane D.

    What defines right?

    Is something right and good because God says that it is? Can he change his mind? Can time, place, or situation change what is right? Or is it universal and timeless? I tend to think that there is one universal right, and goodness cannot be defined by changing times, situations, or places...
  12. Jane D.

    What is your favorite biblical quote?

    "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those...
  13. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    "Jesus took on the wrath of God for us, so that we wouldn't have to. He became sin in the eyes of the Lord, and the Lord was pleased to crush him. He didn't just die for our sins, he died in our place." I don't know how to do quotes yet...sorry! This statement is one that makes my stomach...
  14. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    Well said Booko...my point exactly.
  15. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    Snowbear, Thank you for that. I was actually just meaning in general. As my advice to Christians who want to spread the word, put more emphasis on Christ's life, and less on his death.
  16. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    Again, the emphasis on him sacrificing his own life, like it is such a huge deal. What did he go through? Honestly? He was beaten, yes. Scorned, yes. Forsaken by God, yes...for like, three days (which compared to an eternity of sitting in the presence of God, and being worshiped by all things...
  17. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    Yes, you have a point. To me, this myth just isn't strong enough to hold its own. It is not a powerful enough myth to hold the weight of the religion. Maybe I'm not making much sense. What I'm trying to say is that, this occurence of Jesus sacrificing himself / God sacrificing his son, is not...
  18. Jane D.

    But, he died for us!!

    This is just the first of many questions that will go through my mind about the Bible, Christianity, etc etc etc. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about religion (imagine that), and one thing that I heard her say struck something in me. When anyone asks the question, "Why...
  19. Jane D.

    Howdy Y'all

    I hope to get to know new people and new beliefs, while having an outlet to express my own. Hello all!! :)
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