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  1. leroy

    How do you detect "design"?

    (Please if possible do not answer as you read, please first read the whole post and then answer,) ...............(only if possible) That sounds like a tautology; obviously “evidence for manipulation” would be evidence for design. These are synonyms, The question is, if you observe an object...
  2. leroy

    How do you detect "design"?

    Lets start all over again What exactly do you mean by signs of manufacture?
  3. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    I think you are overestimating the TOE, but I agree with your main point……The evidence in favor of evolution (say common ancestry) is conclusive.
  4. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    The expalin it with your own words Says who? Nobody defines FT the way you do (in this contex) Fine tuned doesn’t mean “chosen” Yes, we whent over that before, some FT have been solved……so what?......... I am pretty sure you will not make the fallacious argument of “some FT have been solved...
  5. leroy

    How do you detect "design"?

    Yes, science detect design all the time, archeologists, forensic scientists fire experts etc….Scientists even Aim to detect design in other planets……………..
  6. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    Translation, you didnt understand ether
  7. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    I didn’t understand what Carlol meant do you? Care to explain it…………….. care to support it with a source?
  8. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    It is a fact that if gravity would have been say .1% stronger, the universe would have collased in a black hole It is a fact live could have not existed if a single black hole is all there is in the whole universe. Which of these facts do you find controversial ………… NONE (this is what is...
  9. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    It is a fact that if gravity would have been say .1% stronger, the universe would have collased in a black hole It is a fact live could have not existed if a single black hole is all there is in the whole universe. Which of these facts do you find controversial ………… NONE (this is what is...
  10. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    No, no, no, first acknowledge that you wrongly accused me for “circular reasoning” then we can deal with your other “objections”
  11. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    Ok so under your view finding meanifull words in the stars or in clouds wouldn’t indicate Intelligent design, but rather paradoilia,...............is that what you are saying? this is a yes or no question The claim that I made is that we don’t need to know how the pyramids where manufactured...
  12. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    Fine tuning is not assumed…………..it is a fact that the universe has this property I´ll suggest that of all the possible explanations, God is the best explanation for this fact……………no circular reasoning……………….
  13. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    You don’t have to violate any laws, maybe if you look today at some point of the observable universe with a telescope the stars would naturally form meaningful words and sentences by simply following their orbits and the laws of gravity. Would such an observation be evidence for design? why...
  14. leroy

    How do you detect "design"?

    I disagree because…… there are many cases (hypothetical and real) wher we can infer design even if there is no prior knowledge on ther manufacturing process of the signs that the objects have. :hypothetical: the SETI project is trying to detect Alien design through various mechanism…….. and...
  15. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    You don’t have to violate any laws, maybe if you look today at some point of the observable universe with a telescope the stars would naturally form meaningful words and sentences by simply following their orbits and the laws of gravity. Would such an observation be evidence for design? why...
  16. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    It matters because personally I am not interested in having a conversation with someone who doesn’t understand the argument. If you want a detailed explanation on what the argument is and how the premises are supported, then watch this 5 series videos. (the information in this video represents...
  17. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    Again, my impression is that you are acting as if you do know that likely there is not a god nor a designer of the universe. BTW you still have to prove your nonsense premise of “we can’t know if the universe was design or not”
  18. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    The same would be true with universes that have stars organized such that they look like meaningful words and sentences in English If there are infinite number of universes, some would have stars that spell the sentence “I exist, sincerely the god of the bible ……….. but yet you still consider...
  19. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    You said that it probably would not be evidence for God, but you said nothing about a designer………that is why I asked. (but íll take that your answer is no for both God and a designer) So you simply have ridiculously high standards…………the evidence for God or design is not week it is just that...
  20. leroy

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    Well the issue is that it seems to me that you did determined that it wasn’t designed. (that is why you are an atheist) It seems to me that you are saying 1 I can´t determine if it was designed or not 2 therefore I conclude no design (see the contradiction) Of course, the truth is that...
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