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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    That's a good question. I don't think I can give you the specific answer, but I think you were probably close when you mentioned context clues. In several places, including Ezekiel 28, Genesis 6, and many others, Satan is either described as adorned with shiny stones and settings, or words are...
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    A Challenge for those who believe in a loving God

    Very true. Thank you for this.
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    A Challenge for those who believe in a loving God

    Man brought sin into the world. In the garden, as well as on the Ark, the animals lived in peace. When sin is removed and paradise restored, the wolf will lie with the lamb and we as humans will finally see things as God intended. Until then, the lion eats the gazelle, the large bird eats the...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    Thank you for pointing that out as it makes it obvious I was clearly missing the point I wished to make. "Helel" is the Hebrew word used in Isaiah and has a translation of "light bearer" and "shining one." "Phosphoros" is the Greek word used in Revelation and means both "bringer of light", and...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    I have known Satan to be a title because I've seen the word used in plural form in several writings, but if Lucifer is in fact used as a title, even in reference to Christ, I would be very interested if you could expound on that. I am aware of Latin derivations of the word Light, such as...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. I would have responded sooner, but I had to look up "credulous."
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    Et ducit mundum per lucem? I prefer Per Aspera Ad Astra, but you can be led through the light by anyone you wish. I believe in sound doctrine and prayerful discernment of scripture. If wearing a tinfoil hat kept me on track with God's commandments then I'd do it. Fortunately I don't need it. I...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    I find splitting hairs to be of little use regarding God's Word. Even experts will disagree on translation, and I'm a no expert. Rather than battle over the Word, we should be compelled to let the Word fight our battles. I do enjoy word study as a means of uncovering hidden knowledge, though...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    Isaiah 14:12King James Version (KJV) 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! English Standard Version “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    I would like to cite Isaiah 14:12 Which in the ESV calls Satan "Day Star, Son of Dawn" and Revelation 22:16 when Jesus himself proclaims to be "the bright morning star". Linguistic challenges noted, the word Lucifer itself can mean "Illuminated One", and depending if you use Greek, Hebrew, or...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    I respectfully disagree with the fact that they are unrelated. In fact, some Catholic priests feel the Vatican has been taken over by Jesuits that have manipulated their doctrine wholly and intentionally towards Luciferian Doctrine. This was around the 1950's according to testimony of William...
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    The vatican chants regarding lucifer

    Many good points made here. I think the use of Lucifer in any context in public mediums should always be inspected and studied. I think in this context it may boil down to simply a linguistical issue, however in many others it is much more insidious. People should be aware of the fact that...
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    A Challenge for those who believe in a loving God

    Romans 8:19-22 ESV For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the...
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