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  1. DoubtingNate

    The Bible vs. Christian theology

    where are the injunctions against slavery??
  2. DoubtingNate

    If you believe in these events as being true...

    The order to kill make infants is actually a kickback to exodus, which itself is likely influenced by some Egyptian story.
  3. DoubtingNate

    If you believe in these events as being true...

    I am strapped for time and can't point to a specific source but Richard Carrier is a leading expert in the Christ myth theory; he doesn't believe jesus existed at all, but he does not agree with this either.
  4. DoubtingNate

    If you believe in these events as being true...

    yeah lots of this has actually been debunked; it's certainly true that there are mythical parallels to Christ and other deities but it is not quite so 'color by number' as you are describing.
  5. DoubtingNate

    Did Jesus have Scribes, ie are the Gospels actual witness accounts?

    Most or all of these documents are known forgeries, ie, written in someone else's name. Jesus did not have scribes following him around, all 4 gospels have anonymous authors, the more recent ones building on the older ones. Mark is derived from the Q text and earlier church writings that are...
  6. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    If hell is merely being excluded from Gods presence, couldn't they live in a nice place? Why would it need to be a place of torment at all?
  7. DoubtingNate

    The Bible vs. Christian theology

    Boy is there ever! Because the Bible itself is full of contradictions, and because throughout history Christians have always adapted their interpretation of Scripture to contemporary ethics and morality. Case in point: slavery. Most Christians today believe slavery is wrong, despite the fact...
  8. DoubtingNate

    Why Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the 'New Atheists' Aren't Really Atheists

    perfect summary of so called 'atheist fundamentalism:'
  9. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    but doesn't it seem strange that the other cultures got the memo before it ever made it to Judaism?
  10. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    How do Christians account for the fact that the concept of eternal reward or punishment does not even originate with Judaism, but instead is grafted in from other traditions such as Egyptian, Persian and Greek mythology? There is no fiery torment in the Old Testament; if it was a real thing to...
  11. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    This seems like splitting hairs to me. Sorry, this seems like splitting hairs. God tosses you into a fire abyss.. he is not standing over you torturing you but it is a place that he has prepared for the wicked..
  12. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    Why is it so important that we believe certain things about God? I don't think non-belief warrants any punishment at all, not in a world where God has NOT made himself clear to us. God is NOT revealed though nature, 'rendering us without excuse' or whatever nonsense it says in Romans. If...
  13. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    no, it's not just at all. A slap on the wrist or a small fine would be just. Never ending excruciating fiery torment is cruel and unusual and not a just punishment for anything. But I think in that situation most people would be able to make themselves believe anything if it would end the...
  14. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    But why would God's commands need to conform to any kind of contemporary standard.. ie, genocide (which is really just a form of mass murder) or slavery is bad now but it was ok back then because that's just what people did. It's a problem that this was ever ok with God. This may be true for...
  15. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    I'm not accepting it as a given that God exists at all, or that we can know what he wants from us even if he did. But IF HE DID exist, tormenting nonbelievers in hell forever would not be consistent with his commands we use as a basis for what is "good." So we don't have to get into God's...
  16. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    I am thinking of "good" as a way that God would want us to treat each other, based on principles of human empathy or the golden rule. We aren't to kill, steal from each other and we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. How are we to know what God really wants if he tells us to treat each...
  17. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    You can't use your conclusion as evidence for the thing you're trying to establish. This so-called reality is not self evident.. presuppositional apologetics does not solve this problem. It is merely circular reasoning with big words. 'God exists because if you presupposed he exists it would...
  18. DoubtingNate

    Circumcision and non-religious people

    circumcised here and I don't think that would help me much.. lol
  19. DoubtingNate

    As a Christian do you believe in an honest-to-god punishing Hell?

    Why take such a convoluted route to 'save' us from a situation that he has created? Why is it he has to punish us in the first place, if he doesn't really want to? How can it be that the only possible solution is so send his son to Earth to be crucified, but in such a way that most people...
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