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    If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

    Under the old Mosaic law, justice required that the prescribed penalty for breaking that law be administered immediately. Under the new covenant and because of the atonement, repentance is granted. The penalty for not repenting is expulsion from the Lord's presence, what is referred to as the...
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    Mormons; the Problem of Iron, Alcohol & the Wheel

    Well, the purpose for your argument is to discredit the BoM over this minor issue. The nature of metallurgy back then is unknown to me, but it doesn't matter. The BoM is not about metallurgy. It is about the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you wish to reject it on those grounds, that is between you...
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    If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

    Modern day Israel is not currently a theocracy. If it were and if the children of Israel were still under the covenants they made with God under Moses and up until the time when they asked Samuel for a king... then such a law might still be in force. As it is, since Israel broke their covenant...
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    Mormons; the Problem of Iron, Alcohol & the Wheel

    This may help... http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/steel-in-the-book-of-mormon
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    Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

    The question assumes that reason somehow stands alone and is not dependent on anything itself. Reason acts on evidence and arbitrary restrictions on evidence cripple one's ability to reason. Another assumption is that arbitrarily restricting evidence to the empirical realm (or purported...
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    Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?

    Whatever peaceful tendencies Islam may have in times past (and it is debatable that it was peaceful), it has evolved into a terror organization. I will never forget when the Shaw if Iran was ousted and those Americans were taken hostage. The Iranians that worked along side the Americans in...
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    Does God make mistakes

    Not so. God does not make choices for us. He will help us to do good if we ask Him in faith, but He does not otherwise interfere with our agency. God does not in any way control that part of us that is eternal and naturally owns the ability to choose.
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    Does God make mistakes

    No. I believe in the general resurrection of all people who have ever lived on this earth and that they will then be assigned to various degrees of reward depending on whether or not they kept God's commands in mortality.
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    Does God make mistakes

    He does. The reason one may progress further than another is because of the degree of obedience of the individual. For example: the procreative power will not be granted to someone who has abused that power or otherwise disobeyed God's laws of morality while in mortality. I believe that we are...
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    Does God make mistakes

    This is where you and I differ: There is a part of each of us that is eternal; that is, while God created our bodies and even our spirits, we, as intelligent entities always existed without beginning. As such, agency is a natural part of our existence. We agreed with God before embarking upon...
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    Does God make mistakes

    You are suggesting that men separated by by hundreds... even thousands of years are somehow involved in a conspiracy to defraud humanity. These men... these prophets, even while separated widely by time, all testify to the same thing... that God exists and we are answerable to Him for our...
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    Does God make mistakes

    Yes, I said 'facts'. In the context of scripture, which is "all" the information we will ever know about God (that which He is willing to reveal). If you choose to restrict yourself to the empirical... that's fine... go right ahead. The passage you quoted from Isaiah refers to God's...
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    Does God make mistakes

    I don't believe foreknowledge of an event confers responsibility for that event. Adam and Eve made the choice and acted on it. They were in no way forced into taking that action. Sole responsibility for disobedience lies with Adam and Eve.
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    Does God make mistakes

    You grossly misrepresent the facts. God did not create sin. He first gave man agency and then a choice to either obey or not. Man's choice brought sin into the world. Since we are all mortal and are prone to make mistakes, or rather, sin, in order for us to be able to return to our Father...
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    Does God make mistakes

    God answers prayer according to the faith of the individual (or group). God's intervention is not manifest without faith and prayer. Without those things, God leaves us to our own resources. God wants to bless His children, but because He grants us our agency, He will not interfere unless we...
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    Abrahamic Religions: Why not just start with Noah?

    Since you asked for insights, here is an LDS point of view from LDS scripture: "For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage; And knew not until the...
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    Is it moral for God to punish us?

    Since the scenario you are outlining obviously makes no sense, why not look for or consider on that does? What would be valid scriptural conditions where God is all knowing and all powerful and yet we have free agency? That might suggest a scenario where history is not set. It might also ask...
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    If God Controls Everything...

    I think there seems to be some confusion regarding God's purpose and what it takes to fulfill that purpose. First off, we are we are eternal beings and our natural condition is that of a free agent. God, in the process of helping us progress, sent us to earth to gain physical bodies, to gain...
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    Can someone explain the Trinity please...

    You may have noticed that I am LDS. So, the basis for my belief includes more information than just the Bible. But aside from additional scripture (which I am sure you will not recognize), I believe in what Joseph Smith claims to have seen in His first vision. In that vision, God the Father...
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    Can someone explain the Trinity please...

    Well, I disagree. You accuse me of attempting to wrest scripture; trying to make it fit what I believe. I believe that is exactly what you are doing. I'm quoting scripture, while you are hung up on the word "logos". So, we are at an impasse. I think you are ignoring Matthew 3:16,17: (KJV)...
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