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  1. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Ok you think killing children is only wrong if you believe it is. You're in the minority.
  2. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Forget the bible scenario? I think we both know and agree. This is obviously a hard case to make. I dunno, I think biological and social influences are suppressible. I might be brought up socially to believe in fictional Bible stories, but I if I truly realize that I only believed that then I...
  3. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    That's a toughie. It can't be determined in the same way that physical facts can, with objective (or you should really be saying physical) measurements. Remember that science regarding the solar system is not universally accepted. That can't be a requirement for truth. If one is a so-called...
  4. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    In my scenario I said Abrahamic religions do not exist! Read it again if you care at all. Which I don't blame you if you don't. It's not quite like gravity. It's not like the physical sciences. What I'm saying is that when you look at a painting and think about what it means or conveys...
  5. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    That makes perfect sense. So the way we think of morality is I guess determined by our understanding of the world. Though the way we implement morality varies, I feel that we all work toward the same good. In a sense most of us work toward the same ideal of goodness. That's not really an...
  6. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    It doesn't come from a physical place though.
  7. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    So I'm imagining that I'm devout Jew in Biblical times? I personally don't believe god gave moses much of anything. Ok I think I get the hypothetical. I suppose I would be doing some of those bad things which you and I both know to be bad (partially thanks to passed down moral knowledge). I...
  8. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Again, the argument I've been making (though this argument alone doesn't make the theory) is that past behavior and attitude does not affect the truth. Your example doesn't affect moral truth any more than past beliefs about the solar system affect scientific truth.
  9. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Nice response. You're so right that you don't even have to put forth arguments. You are a special one indeed.
  10. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    How did you come to the conclusion that the existence of some kind of god is the only way morality could be objective? Say we live in a godless universe where no one has ever come up with the idea of god (why would the necessarily? There's no such thing as god). I come up to you and say "hey...
  11. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Thanks for your interest. I'm sure you'll understand that I've had to repeat myself plenty on this thread, so I'm going to try to limit that. Poke around some of the conversation here if I'm a little too brief with you. I read a little too much C.S. Lewis, I think that's what happened. I think...
  12. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    You've made a very good point that morality is completely distinct from science. Just curious, how do you think logic and mathematics relates to things and events? Hopefully that's not too broad a question. I guess you can't prove it.I think there is a reason we all share that belief though...
  13. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    I suppose you're right. For the most part the connection between morality and god is an Abrahamic tradition. I'm not sure I know enough about eastern religions to really say if there's a similar thing there. We have had someone from the Hindu tradition on this thread agreeing with me, although...
  14. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Ohhhhh booooyyy!!!! This one's a smahty!!! You've won the argument already by making me feel bad about my stupidity Says who? Aren't you saying morality is subjective? So what? Yeah that would be racism I guess. Right. No. Just no. The fact that ancient Jews didn't know about the...
  15. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Why is it absurd?
  16. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    They don't determine morality, they enforce laws and behavior.
  17. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    I agree that you need a subject in order for that morality to be possible, but I don't think that means morality is subjective. The objective needs an observing subject to meaningfully exist. If we have a disagreement about the philosophy there it might be hard to have a constructive...
  18. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    I feel like a business analyst at an insurance company trying to answer every email. I will get to yours, I haven't forgotten. :D
  19. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    Right, we do have a built in conscience and it generally tells us what's right and wrong, though it doesn't usually force us to do the right thing. I would say we also have a built in ability to understand logic. And I don't think we should be doubting the objectivity of right and wrong much...
  20. JRMcC

    Morality is not subjective

    In some cases (think few) right and wrong is subjective, and sometimes it's impossible to determine. But most of the time the truth is plain as day. If your'e going to say that shooting up a school full of little kids is only wrong if you think it is then fine, just say that and we can end the...
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