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  1. rocketman

    Texas Bill Would Protect College Professors Who Question Evolution

    What I said to FP above. Cheers.
  2. rocketman

    Texas Bill Would Protect College Professors Who Question Evolution

    Hi. No FP, it definitely wasn't me this time. I think I did that once and apologised for it. Yes I know this thread is a little old but I rarely ever get to check this site out anymore and just happened to stumble on this thread while I was browsing today. Hope the learning/debating is...
  3. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    No. We have plenty of those already. You would have to show that the laws of physics would not have provided broad enough scope for it's emergence for any of them to be useful to ID. You have missed the whole thing. As I'm sure you know and have temporarily forgotten, science does not deal...
  4. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    I see, again, that the entire thread is not part of your reading experience. Just to bring you up to speed, I have made clear in this thread already (and ever since I've been on RF) that there is no falsifiable hypothesis for ID. Now that you have got that straight, you need to understand that...
  5. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    It is a well established fact that research itself need not have a specific application as a goal. Where I work we call ourselves 'R&D', with the research quite distinct from the development. The desire to answer the design inference is cause enough for enquiry at the basic level without...
  6. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Are you sure it applies to Pete? Friend, in any case, it's impolite to assign a different opinion to someone who does not hold it. That's quite right.
  7. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Yes PW, that was also a big part of it, but refer back to my comments about the propoganda movie they made, that was a big part of it too. And yes, Lincoln was no saint when it came to racial discrimination.
  8. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Hooray! He is finally starting to get it! And putting it off is a question of perspective: it may come to pass that any higher level of designer is forever outside the scope of ID. But it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE! That is why any attempt to investigate it more thoroughly should not be treated as if it...
  9. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Disregarded. Better to read through first I think, this only complicates the thread needlessly. Different, yes, not better. He even tried hard to explain we are one species. However, his view of 'savages' and 'civilized' in the same book gave rise to wrong-minded thinking that was mis-used.
  10. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Good question, thanks for asking. I think human nature is one of the biggest factors: the fear that ideas change society into something that is different and perhaps unpleasant. I think this fear is unfounded, especially in most nations were secular law maintains a healthy barrier between...
  11. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    I'm growing tired of this. It doesn't have to be about the ultimate cause, anymore than evolution has to be about abiogenesis. Dawkins' quip about 'higher intelligences' correctly pointed out that they would have had to come from somewhere too, and it follows that the extra 'somewhere' could be...
  12. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    The words in your sentence are jumbled the wrong way around if they are meant to be assigned in some way to me. It's the misuses which are dangerous, not the TOE. I said as plain as daylight that the science is neutral, and you are (hopefully unintentionally) completely mis-characterising my...
  13. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Er, sorry, you didn't seem to get my post at all Alceste. I never used the word 'influence'. I said they thought they were helping natural selection. They even said so. Please go back and read my post more carefully. Thank you. Darwin's next book certainly does, and it suggests that some men are...
  14. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    ... continued This talk of Hitler's religious motivations is irrelevant. In his awful book he said: "In the Jew I still saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be attacked because he had a different...
  15. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    I have already quoted several elements form the book back in post#21 which show that the link is more than cursory. I think what some people are having trouble understanding is the subtle difference between using TOE to justify racism and seeing one's own racist ideas within TOE. The Nazis...
  16. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Hi FP. It's very early days, but as they work on building a realistic hypothesis to test for a SETI-like signature, they are forming several major strains of thought around what further roads they may take, as suggested here or here for example. We must not be afraid of this very early work...
  17. rocketman

    Dawkins Supports Intelligent Design... just not by God.

    My own experiences must have coloured my opinion. (If anyone tells me that ID shouldn't be in schools, or quotes the wedge document, or rants that ID is a front for religion for some poeple, not only am I going to scream at the top of my lungs at their having missed the woods for the trees...
  18. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    The Nazis too. Some of the earliest roots of their 'Social Darwinism' can be traced back to Haeckel. In those days the 'survival of the fittest' aspect of the theory was of the most interest to the eugenics crowd, who were sure of their own judgement when it came to decide who was fit and who...
  19. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    Have you read the quotes in post #21, (or the rest of Mein Kampf)? He justified much of his ambition based on evolution as they understood it at the time.
  20. rocketman

    Natural selection (evolutionism) => Eugenics => Nazi Germany

    I didn't get that out of the film when I watched it. I checked it out again and about an hour and fifteen minutes in Stein says: "I know that Darwinism does not automatically equate to Nazism. But if Darwinism inspired and justified such horrific events in the past, could it be used to...
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