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    Is Hell just?

    I think you misunderstand the point of hell. Hell was established as a place of torment for the devil and those angels that rebelled in the beginning. However, through his act of defiance and the breaking of relationship with God, man took upon himself the same punishment due Satan. Rejection...
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    Is Hell just?

    If I may, concerning my interpretation of haides and she'ol, look a few threads down to one entitled "For your discussion..." There I offer a detailed exegesis of Revelation 20:11-15 as well as a discussion of the word haides. And be careful using the Encyclopedia Americana when referring to...
  3. O

    How literally should the Bible be taken?

    I might pick that up, but be careful about assuming that "modern science" and the Bible are always at odds. And why we cannot use the Bible to help us unravel those puzzles is a question I have always pondered. The Bible is not solely a religious book, and the skepticism regarding its history...
  4. O

    Is Hell just?

    Again, be careful about assuming what one's position and level are. I don't think either of us knows the other well enough to say "the only way you know how," that's an assumption that points at a person as having a juvenile disposition at least on some level. Brandon
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    Is Hell just?

    Again, there's a bit of misinformation. First, there is no way that a look from the top of a mountain gives more understanding than the whole of the OT. Remember, the NT cannot be understood without the OT, and when we try to interpret it forgetting the OT we will inevitably get it wrong...
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    Is Hell just?

    I think we're a little misaligned where God's purpose is concerned. God's purpose is more than for us to tell Him what life is like here. God knows more than we ever will the beauty of His creation. He knows more than any of us what it is to hold a child in His hands. And he knows better...
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    Is Hell just?

    Paul, I thank you and honestly sympathize with your position. Thank you for your efforts to learn and impart learning. My question of your posting in this particular forum is that it is designated particularly "biblical debates." I assumed that this premise was for those who accept the...
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    Is Hell just?

    Dude, I'm going to ignore the insinuations you made regarding my personal motivations, convictions, and pride. I know I'm far from perfect and far from all-knowing. As far as the Bible being an outdated book, that's for you and God to figure out. As far as I know, God's Word transcends time...
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    How literally should the Bible be taken?

    The Bible is generally reliable as far as historical accuracy is concerned. Yes, there are certain inconsistencies regarding a few numbers, but in general biblical archaeology has served to prove much of the OT accounts reliable. Of course, that also depends on what angle you work from...
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    Is Hell just?

    First, you presented a fallacy there at the end. "A God jealous of humans or a God who loves and forgives us" is a false dichotomy. There is always at least a third option. In this case, there most certainly is. The primary problem with this understanding is that it is not true. The...
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    Is Hell just?

    Physically, hell has no location. To place a physical location on a spiritual reality is fallacy. Hell, my friend, is the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation. It is the ultimate destination of all those whose names are not in the book of life. If you are referring to Jesus' illustration...
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    Is Hell just?

    I can't prove that it exists without using Scripture. Scripture is the sole authority on which to base all doctrinal ideas. If a JW says there is no hell, then they must do it using the Bible as the basis. However, if its a philosophical point you want, then you have to ask the right...
  13. O

    Is Hell just?

    If Hellfire is a "false, made up lie," then prove it biblically; and I don't mean pulling out all the verses that include God and love, please spare your concordance theology. Prove that "hell" does not exist or that it is a doctrine made by men. Brandon
  14. O

    Is Hell just?

    Careful, you're sounding awfully Calvinistic here. Of course, you may be right, and you may be wrong. I suppose it might be possible to track my responses to stimuli, but there will always be surprises. Regarding God's omniscience, I believe there are two possibilities. One, we are now...
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    Is Hell just?

    Then why on earth do you post in the Biblical Debate forum? Please, don't respond if this nonsense is going to characterize your posts. There is an appropriate place for a real discussion of those issues. This is not it. Brandon
  16. O

    Is Hell just?

    That's an interesting perspective, but I don't think it holds water biblically. We are told that men will be judged "according to what they did." I might agree with C.S. Lewis here in his conception of Hell. In the book The Great Divorce Lewis describes Hell as a place where people are locked...
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    Is Hell just?

    There are two problems with the above statement. 1. It assumes that God is directly responsible for all occurrences on Earth. 2. It assumes that human beings are innocent. My answers: 1. God is not directly responsible for all things that occur on the earth. He created a system in...
  18. O

    Is Hell just?

    What do you mean "its not going to matter once you get there?" Brandon
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    Is Hell just?

    I agree totally with you on the concept of choosing Hell. We make our own decision. The LDS position is quite intriguing to me. I had a friend who was Mormon. He kept trying to get me to convert. Great guy, but I cannot accept Mormonism personally. In any case, I would like to know more...
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    Is Hell just?

    I asked, though, is it just. Of course God is loving, but He must also be just. That is the question at hand. If God is loving, but not just, He is not God. If God is just but not loving, He is equally as ill-balanced. If Hell is just, then it is within God's nature. If it is not, we know...
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