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    Reconciling Paul

    Originally Posted by sincerly Does it not seem odd that it could be understood anyway but the way God intended? What was gained by writing it this way. Spread out over thousands of years, written in a way that was intentionally unclear with hidden meanings and requiring that one act...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    I don't think I was confused, but if I was that was not very helpful in clearing anything up.
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    There is a lot of subjective in there, irrational is rational depending on perspective and how much is necessary to substantiate something?
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Wouldn't it be nice if he would do so clearly, all at once in a manner we all understood?
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Using gay rights as an example. Those in favor don't say it is moral to recognize these rights, but that it is unconstitutional to deny them. The morality of it doesn't really get discussed on their side. Those opposed tend to use the behavior is immoral argument before it even gets to...
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    God V. Satan. Off the top of my head.

    Weak, really really weak. I suppose what you found so confusing was the ha. That made the word unrecognizable? What is an adversary? Someone or something that opposes someone or something else. I did clarify that it was not to be confused with Lucifer. Lucifer is the fallen angel Christians...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    I think the idea of civil unions was an attempt along those lines.
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Arguably perception is reality. I assume one reason Christians are opposed to gay rights is the belief that if God forbids it and they do not they may be bringing the wrath of God upon them or they feel it undermines the stability of society (I am not saying this is true) their opposition would...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    I meant that when it comes to religious freedom it is a right. That it causes any number of negative things is secondary to the right that is claimed, but those same people deny common rights to gays using morality as a basis. In one case morality is driving the argument without regard for...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Why or how does he have that right?
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Wrong assumption. Correct on the idea of absolute morality
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    God V. Satan. Off the top of my head.

    That is a big jump from isn't in the OT at all He sat with Moses and Abraham. Everybody else was treated the same. I would hardly call him a have a chat type God. He was on his way to rain fire down on two cities when he had that "chat" He has always been a strict God who demands submission...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    I just wanted to see how others felt when rights and morals clash. If there was a feeling that one had more value than the other in terms of benefiting society. If so why. Especially in the context of religion where there is a belief in the right to religious freedom, but abandon rights for...
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    Faith….

    Why is a creator so vital? I can prove we are here, I believe science has figured out a lot of how when got here. I don't know that why is very important and who and when are so long ago that we will never know. Think about existence without time. There is nothing. existence requires time...
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    Rights Vs. Morals

    Abortion, Gay Marriage, Religious Freedom are all examples of one group who take their position based on morality and the other based on rights. Does one trump the other? Should it? Which is more valuable to society. We say that rights are unalienable (we treat them as inalienable though, yes...
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    God V. Satan. Off the top of my head.

    I see. So common sense and experience if the realities of the world we live in are applicable when convenient? I don't think it was God either, but that is meaningless. You made the claim God did not kill anybody. Then maybe some who deserved it. So when I said either he did or the Bible is...
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    God V. Satan. Off the top of my head.

    :facepalm: According to Christians where do you think the definition of came from? They are the ideals that we are told are pleasing to God. Bad things are described as sin and God cannot sin. God describes himself as possessing qualities that we consider God. There may be more to him than us...
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