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    Quran and Science : Just wanted some comments

    Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin I'm not completely sure I understand the point you're trying to make. You think that the subducted plate acts as some sort of anchor for the continental plate above it...
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    PROOF GOD EXISTS!! LoL

    I hope this hasn't been posted before - I couldn't see it linked to anywhere else. Also, I don't know if this is exactly the right place for this topic but I didn't seem to quite fit in the jokes section. Apologies if it has to be moved. Disclaimer: I realise this list is a little silly but I...
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    Atheists: WOW proof this Book is from God.

    Amin, It is not at all clear that Muhammad meant the ozone layer. I mean, seriously, if the passage from the Qur'an was supposed to refer to the layer of Ozone that protects us from UV rays from the sun why didn't it just say so in less ambiguous language. Unless one begins reading the Qur'an...
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    If the Age of the Earth is 6000 Years...

    There are good reasons to assume relatively constant and unchanging rates of separation. Any faster and the earth would have become to hostile to support life. In particular the idea some YECs support about an incredibly rapid separation during "the flood" is COMPLETELY out of the question...
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    If the Age of the Earth is 6000 Years...

    Doh! I hoped that there might actually be some people that tried to answer this question properly 9-10ths! The problems with Young Earth Creationism (YEC) are so manifestly insurmountable that I doubt you'll get someone to take the bait on this thread :( Most YECS don't know much about science...
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    Part 2, an attack on creationism

    Creationists like to imply that the "odds" are so steep against abiogenesis that the only reasonable explanation for life's beginnings is an intelligent designer.This is just an example of the fallacy of big numbers.Calculation of the "odds" is a futile venture because we don't actually know a...
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    Is the Concept of God Necessary To Explain Anything?

    The concept of God is not needed for the same reason that the concept of flying spaghetti monster isn't - the evidence doesn't point to it. Lest we forget Ockham's Razor!
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    Part 2, an attack on creationism

    You should probably just go with the argument that God told you evolution is wrong rather than repeat this anywhere else. I mean, if I said that I wasn't a Christian because "to me, the Bible is a milkshake recipe" people wouldn't think much of me.
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    Part 2, an attack on creationism

    Evolution doesn't say you did..... :no: I'm interested though, did you ever believe in evolution? And, were you ever a non-christian?
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    Part 2, an attack on creationism

    And yet, why does it seem like the more someone knows about science the less they believe in religion? What you are saying sounds fairly close to that whole "science tells us how religion tells us why" cop-out. You see, the problem is religions try to tell us how AND why - they just inevitably...
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    Evolutionest I need help

    The argument that the order in which life has arisen on earth is detailed in the days of genesis account of creation puzzles me for a number of reasons. 1. It is often lovingly deployed by the same young earth creationists who don't believe in the truth of the scientific dating techniques that...
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    Challenge to Evolutionsts

    I can't see the problem here.... the bird makes a nest to sleep in... the fox digs a hole to sleep in... and the human makes a bed to sleep in. All three animals use their brains and bodies to enable a safer and more comfy nap-time. We have survived haven't we? What do you mean by "completely...
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    Islam and Science

    My point was that there are plenty of things to suggest that the Qur'an is not divinely inspired (I can elaborate on this if you like - I've spent considerable time studying it). These things are generally scientific in nature and well substantiated enough to lend me the confidence I need to...
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    Islam and Science

    True, free will is a great thing. But, what I was talking about was the factual basis for the idea that the Qur'an is divinely inspired. When all the evidence suggests it is simply a rambling text hardly displaying any great human inspiration, let alone any divine, 'percieving' it as divine in...
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    Islam and Science

    The whole idea that these short and ambiguous phrases suggest there was ancient knowledge of what we have only discovered today through the most cutting edge science doesn't really cut it with me. From the way in which these verses are deployed as solid evidence of the divine origin of the...
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    The Evidence for ID THREAD!!

    Evidence for ID eh? Seems tricky! If it were to do with abiogenesis or the scientific nature of ID I might be game. However, as it stands, for most things evolution seems fairly sensible. Ken Miller is a good one for refuting the irreducibly complex flagellum argument, there's a video of him...
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    Bible, evolution NOT perfectly compatible, despite Jesuit apologetics

    Well, this seems to be quite an interesting thread. Evolution and the Bible, Science and religion, what a volatile mix! While I disagree that the literal interpretation of Genesis says the universe is ~6k years old (I can tell you why I think so if you'd like, I find the whole subject rather...
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    Can it be right to hate sometimes?

    This is the way I see it.... If you love anything, you must hate its opposite. If you love freedom and liberty, you MUST hate slavery (unless, of course, you wish to contradict yourself). I think it is wrong to hate somebody, but equally wrong not to hate somethings (racism, murder etc -...
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    Does science prove the existence of god?

    Mr Spinkles, I still have only limited time (grrrr...) but I will quickly highlight the ignorance of the skeptic websites position on irreducible complexity (IRC). The fact is that many biological systems (such as the circulatory system etc) are made up of parts that serve no purpose by...
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    Does science prove the existence of god?

    Helpme, Sorry to ask again but.... How so? Which ones? What makes them absurd? orthodox
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