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  1. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    44444444444 Sojourner, it is the " I don't see:" that is the problem. The "Atoning animal" is seen in vss. 3:15 and -3:22
  2. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    Ex.30:-31-34, " And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have...
  3. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    Muffled said: ↑ I believe it is misinterpetation to view midst as "in the spaces." Jesus is in us but He is everywhere else as well. I believe "midst" in this case refers to the dynamic way that God can interact with Himself when more than one person is involved. Like I could say there is peace...
  4. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    Ex 14:13"And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.
  5. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    e.r.m. said: ↑ What proof do you actually need that Jesus Himself said these things? Outhouse, Wrong! We have a precedent for that situation. Moses wrote of GOD and Jesus---had they listened and believed.John 5:46-47, "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me...
  6. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    sincerly said: ↑ "a church" can be started/called out in assemblage by anyone. Sojourner, since Jesus knows those who are HIS, The size of the congregation or the claiming of HIS Name will not the claim. sojourner said: ↑ There can be no legitimate church that understands Jesus in a...
  7. sincerly

    Did the True Church Apostasized?

    Sojourner, "a church" can be started/called out in assemblage by anyone. From the very beginning of creation GOD, established That Day as the seventh day of Creation week. Any organization that has deviated from those instructions has "apostatized". Soteriologically, God had provisions for...
  8. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑-including the cleansing of theheavenly Sanctuary Kolibri, We are getting away from the topic and having corresponded with you thus far, I do not see where Scriptural definitions can be achieved.
  9. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ Kolibri, His presence is ''relative to what"? HE who made all things is not "relative" to that which was made. The "spiritually dark times" began with those rebellious Angels and will end when they and all who have been influenced by them are destroyed. "The Way" is GOD'S only...
  10. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ KOLIBRI, What is being spoken of is Jesus' second coming to receive the redeemed(righteous/Believers). Not contrasting Paul's absence from the Philippians. Jesus had made it plain to the disciples at the passover meal that HE would be separated from/absent from them until HE...
  11. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    KOLIBRI, What is being spoken of is Jesus' second coming to receive the redeemed(righteous/Believers). Not contrasting Paul's absence from the Philippians. Jesus had made it plain to the disciples at the passover meal that HE would be separated from/absent from them until HE returned for them...
  12. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑To ING, The Two Resurrections were shown to you in Revelations. Whether or not you believe it is yours to decide. However, Rev,20 will still verify the fact of it being there. Ingledsva said: LOL! Nice try. However, I am saying prove, that thousand years is in the Tanakh story...
  13. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    Then parousia= "coming"?? and we will not have to spend time on "presence"(other than in the two verses ) again?
  14. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    ING, The Two Resurrections were shown to you in Revelations. Whether or not you believe it is yours to decide. However, Rev,20 will still verify the fact of it being there.
  15. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    Jesus gave parables to emphasize the closed door/last opportunity for salvation. Or "today" is the day of salvation. Disbelieving GOD isn't using wisdom that is available to all. Jesus is Coming again for a specific purpose. Ready or not. KJV 2Cor.10:9-11, "That I may not seem as if I would...
  16. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ sincerly said: ↑... To ING, First the Tanakh, Yes, there is the book of Daniel and it speaks of concerning all the kingdoms of earth to the end of time.(which now has included more than 2500 years.) Since neither of the resurrections(judgments) has yet occurred---be patient...
  17. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    Kolibri said: ↑ And how does the NWT omit the word parousia when it translates it in that verse as "at his presence"? How is it that the NWT omits the word emprosthen when it says "before our Lord Jesus"? (1 Thess 2:19) sincerly said: ↑ ---Neither("at his presence")("before our Lord Jesus")has...
  18. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ sincerly said: ↑ "Hell" has been mangled beyond recognition; The Hebrew word=sheol and the Greek word=hades. These are words denoting the place of burial of the dead----righteous or evil in character. All go into "Hell"---the grave, the tomb, the pit, or some fancy edifice...
  19. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ How "subtle" does the serpent have to alter truth to make it error? ---Neither has the understanding of: "at his coming" Kolibri, at the harvest is a specific time for a specific purpose.--That is why and when Jesus is returning---for all the redeemed. Let's look at that...
  20. sincerly

    Hell Question.

    sincerly said: ↑ sincerly said: ↑ sincerly said: ↑ I'm not seeing where any will arise from that death sleep before Jesus Christ Comes. Kolibri, I'm hearing echos from the serpent in the garden. Matt.24:3, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying...
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