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  1. J

    I thought Evolutionists knew what they were talking about

    :clap I'm stupider for having read all of this nonsense. :run:
  2. J

    Is atheism absurd?

    First, not all atheists assert that god does not exist, simply that they lack belief in god, so your argument only relates to strong atheism. Second, god, as described by most religions, interacts with our world and, therefore, we should be able to find evidence of this interaction. Atheists...
  3. J

    Should we be repectful or militant?

    Well, if I have beliefs that are nonsensical, I want people to call me on it. But I get your point and that's why I think the respectful approach is more mature and enlightened. The counter argument is that fundamentalists are undermining our society and we have a duty to fight back -- a duty...
  4. J

    Should we be repectful or militant?

    I go back and forth on this. Some days I feel like it is mature and enlightened to be respectful of others' religious beliefs ("I don't agree, but I respect your beliefs..."). Other days I really just want to attack: I want to debate and argue every stupid, ignorant thing people say; I want to...
  5. J

    Atheists: why the Christians?

    But where do you think these ideas come from? These middle-aged Republican harpies were taught to hate homosexuals and new earth creationism by Christian clergy. And there are religions that promote stupid belief systems and promote stupidity itself. Christianity gets the most attention...
  6. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Your belief in the entire bible can only be based on ignorance, insanity or faith. Take genesis: overwhelming evidence refutes the biblical account of creation and no extra-biblical evidence exists to support it. To believe this account of creation you either have to be ignorant of this...
  7. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Anyhow, this is not relevant to the original question: many people have beliefs that they know to be illogical and contrary to overwhelming evidence and consider this a point of pride -- a virtue. Why???
  8. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Indeed, many believers do not have faith, but many do (especially those with extreme fundamentalist beliefs).
  9. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Experience is a form of evidence and I would, therefore, not consider belief based on experience to be faith.
  10. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    @Nooj, that they use other methods for belief is exactly what I can't seem to understand: if presented with two choices, one for which there is substantial evidence and one for which there is little to none, why would anyone knowingly choose the option for which evidence is lacking and then be...
  11. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    @lunamoth I'm not moving the cheese if your belief in god is not based on evidence or reason then you've abandoned evidence and reason, at least with regard to that belief (and commonly with many other beliefs such as those surrounding evolution, for example). And if your hope is based on this...
  12. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    For me that's a non sequitur. I don't see how abandoning evidence and reason results in a positive view of life or hope. And I don't see how false hope is a good thing. This sounds like you're supporting "ignorance is bliss" as a defensible path.
  13. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Again, the point is not to compare science and religion, but to understand why people seem to think that faith (or belief without evidence) is a good thing -- something to be proud of. The evidence need not be scientific, it could be based on reason and logic (i.e. philosophy), historical...
  14. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    I'm not arguing that all knowledge is attainable by science. I am arguing that reason and evidence are preferable to non-evidenced based approaches. Should we dispense with presenting evidence in court trials and throw tea leaves instead to judge guilt or innocence?
  15. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    @pegg That may be the case, but why do believers so proudly proclaim the need to take a leap of faith? In this context (and, frankly, most of the time it's used TODAY, not 2000 years ago), we mean belief without evidence. That's how it's most commonly used and that's how the dictionary defines...
  16. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Why is evidence-based belief better? Well, let's say you and I are farmers: you plant your crops based on superstition, and I plant mine based on the farmer's almanac. Whose family will eat better the following year? I can't believe that this is even a question. On average, evidence-based...
  17. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Seriously. :)
  18. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    According to dictionary.com a virtue is 1. moral excellence; goodness; righteousness. 2. conformity of one's life and conduct to moral and ethical principles; uprightness; rectitude. 3. chastity; virginity: to lose one's virtue. 4. a particular moral excellence. Compare cardinal virtues, natural...
  19. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    The alternative to faith is evidence-based belief. I evaluate evidence for and against a claim and try to make an informed choice. When no evidence is available I try to not take a position. I'm not saying that I always succeed or that I am a perfectly rational person, but when I fail in this...
  20. J

    Why is faith a virtue?

    Great minds think alite Meow Mix -- you're a quicker typist though :)
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