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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    How are you defining order/disorder? It looks like you are defining it subjectively as in, "I can't predict the order these cards will land in, therefore it is disorderly." Objectively, the cards being thrown in the air is following a strict order that is determined by prior factors and if done...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Could God have used macro-evolution and abiogenesis to create and evolve life? If not why not? When did I say that it could explain the origin of it's own domain? Do you think life and intelligence is the origin of the scientific domain? Don't be silly, science goes further than that, sciences...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    What are you talking about, tossing cards is perfectly orderly, just because you do not know or can predict the order does not make it disorderly. The cards follow strict rules and the way they land depends on the way they were thrown and tier position in the deck. Nothing in this example...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    The laws of the universe. It acted in an orderly fashion. Expanding outwards. This doesn't make sense? It is directly related to energy input, entropy cannot decrease in any system without energy input. Therefore unless that energy input is based on probability then it is not probabilistic...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Was it? The expansion is actually pretty orderly. It's got nothing to do with probability, it's dependent upon energy input. Why? What kind of precision? I don't understand your obsession with "blind, unguided and non-intellectual" processes or why you think such things cannot produce...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the second law of thermodynamics and of entropy. Entropy has naught to do with order and disorder. Entropy is about usable energy in a system and entropy produces equilibrium, the higher the entropy, the closer a system is to reaching equilibrium. The...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Was it? It was caused by an interaction of intelligent beings, are you proposing that humans designed the process of conception? Hopefully not and given this argument is about proving that intelligence cannot occur without God's input, trying to suggest that God created the process of birth...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Why would that be OK? OK according to whom? If your answer is, "It just is." Then no, sorry, it's not good enough to answer the question in my mind. I never said i was sure that they lied, i just argued that it was probable. They had motive to lie, that is the big reason. Also, there...
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    i dont understand this omnipotent

    As I already stated, if God is not bound by logic then God does not abide by the law of identity. God is not what he is. There are many God's and all of them are only one. Nothing can be meaningfully said about God. The bible is inaccurate as is every religious text or idea about God ever...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    It's not about whether it is cool or not, it's about whether it really supports the argument. Logic =/= cool. Yep I think we're on the same page now about subjective morality. Most humans want similar things and that is usually because those things most humans want often benefit the humans in...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    You can repeat it all you want, you still aren't adressing the point. The process was reduced to non-intelligence, how was that form of non-intelligence capable of producing intelligence if non-intelligence is incapable of producing intelligence? Answering this with, "because that...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    That is often the way of debate, people on opposite ends of an issue tend to disagree. Why? Why did our sins cause his death? Some think he did.
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    i dont understand this omnipotent

    Without logic, discussion or thought on the concepts are pointless. A concept not bound by logic cannot be meaningfully thought of, identified, defined or anything to humans. There is one logical law that if not true of something then that thing cannot be recognized by us at all. That is the law...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Well, to be honest I didn't know what you meant by the question, I still don't. Perhaps you would like to repeat it with a bit more detail?
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Why is it theological? I know some people try to suggest that God made the universe or something like that but only that answer is theological, the question itself need nor be so. Which carpenter?
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    The highlighted passage wasn't hawkins, sorry :( Agreed. My point was that conclusions about what occurred prior to expansion are unwarranted, we simply don't know what was happening before expansion occurred.
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    Wait, there's awards for this? Why didn't anyone say so earlier? :(
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    To add context to your Stephan Hawking quote; "Hubble's observations suggested that there was a time, called the big bang, when the universe was infinitesimally small and infinitely dense. Under such conditions all the laws of science, and therefore all ability to predict the future, would...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    This hardly answers the question, what would you say to them? The same thing I would, "this is wrong, I don't like this, please stop." You might say God doesn't like this as well but the points the same and what was achieved by asking the question you asked? I don't understand the point of the...
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    Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

    It doesn't ignore the fact, it embraces it, hence, "reduced to non-intelligence." If it didn't start from intelligence, how could it be reduced to non-intelligence? I've already acknowledged this, an intelligent being produces the zygote which is non-intelligent. Then through natural processes...
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