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  1. jmt09

    Love the sinner hate the sin

    Thanks for the post Unveiled Artist. I agree with what another commenter said when they said (paraphrasing) that "there isn't anything in principle wrong with 'hate the sin, love the sinner.'" When you love someone and they are being harmed by something they are doing, then you'd "hate" what it...
  2. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    It seems to me that when Jesus is talking about "great buildings" he is talking about the Temple. Moreover, "not one stone will be left on another" could be thought of as a figure of speech that talks about the total destruction of the Temple and all that it stood for. Figures of speech are very...
  3. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    Actually, God didn't saddle Adam and Eve with the shame of nakedness. Adam and Eve were ashamed because they saw that they were naked and they hid from God. God "made them clothing out of skins". This doesn't imply him shaming them. It is a way of accommodating for their sense of shame and...
  4. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    Are these typ Why think that God is against nakedness when presumably he created us naked? If he was truly against us being naked, then why not create us with some covering? So, whatever the passage you reference means, it CAN'T mean that God is against nakedness given other considerations...
  5. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    I think it's important to take these passages in their context. It won't do to simply quote these passages that are written and recorded for a particular group of people in a particular time. Also, it is important to note that the term 'naked' doesn't always denote 'absolutely no clothing' but...
  6. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    Given that this forum is a 'creation vs. evolution' forum...I'm interested in what non-theists think about theistic evolution— I guess I'm inclined to think about that as being incidental. The main thrust (as I see it) of Genesis 1 and 2 is to say that there is this being God that created the...
  7. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    I am just seeing this post, but I responded to your second one...Disregard where I asked to provide examples. I see them here :) ... Could it be that this prophecy came true shortly after Jesus' day too? Were there murmurers, complainers, etc. in Jesus' day? I probably hold more to N.T...
  8. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    What prophecies are you referring to? Can you state a couple? I do agree with you concerning Christ's return. I'm uncomfortable with the language of it being 'verified' (for precisely the reason that it is a future event). To use words like 'verified' seem to be too strong.
  9. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    Hopefully FoC does. But, I'd understand if they didn't think of me that way. To defend that view of the Bible is basically...well...indefensible. But, furthermore, I don't see any reason to take the Bible (especially Genesis 1-2) to be saying anything literal. It's written as poetry.
  10. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    I’m not sure the weather analogy works. Weather predictors would not claim to verify that in, say, three days it’s going to rain. Maybe the term ‘verify’ is not the right term to use when talking about prophecy. I think the fundamental issue though is that when you are talking to someone that...
  11. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    I understand now...thanks for clarifying. Yes, I would agree with that. It seems to me (a Christian...though I may need to take time and qualify what I mean by this...) that Genesis 1-2 are more akin to poetry. I don’t think it reads like someone trying to say “this is how the world was...
  12. jmt09

    Isn't it better to be atheists?

    I think these retorts are clever but I’m not sure they can withstand scrutiny. It seems to me that you are arguing for the problem of evil—that the extent and amount of suffering makes God’s existence extraordinarily unlikely. But why think this? Presumably God might have deemed it desirable...
  13. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    Curious: why think these are physically impossible? Presumably, God created the physical universe and thus presumably could rearrange molecules, etc. For instance, why think it’s physically impossible for Jesus to rise from the dead? It seems like you’d need to assume that God doesn’t exist or...
  14. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    How can the Bible verify Christ returning again when he (presumably) hasn’t returned yet?
  15. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    The question is: why should we say that it all needs to be read literally? For instance, the Bible has poetry. I don’t see why it must be taken literally when it seems to be speaking figuratively.
  16. jmt09

    Creation vs evolution

    I’m a little worried that your argument is circular. It seems like you are saying: the Bible’s claims are verified because the Bible says so. This begs the question because you are assuming your position is true in order to make your case for your position. I’m also not clear as what it means...
  17. jmt09

    why reject christianity

    I’m curious: is making truth claims inconsistent with loving someone, on your view? I’m unclear as to how you mean
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