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  1. rivenrock

    Faith in Christ is Completely Logical

    You see, you say that faith in Christ is logical and claim that you have looked at it from every angle to come to this conclusion, but the truth is that your approach is not in any way logical or rational. Your whole approach to faith in Christ is emotional and defensive, and in that state of...
  2. rivenrock

    God is simple, not complex.

    Atheists do not understand God to be complex. They understand him to be non-existent. Nothing complex about that.
  3. rivenrock

    What is the meaning of life? What is the purpose of existence?

    To live. I know that sounds simplistic, but I honestly think that should be our focus - how do make a good life, how to experience life and find the things that have meaning for you. I'm not sure there's much point to seeking for some overarching external meaning when it can't be verified, and...
  4. rivenrock

    Should creationism be taught as the foundation of science?

    Creationism in no way validates fact. Its version of our origins have been demonstrably proven to be non-factual and yet it continues to make the claim that it is telling a truth story about how we, and our world, came to be. Creationism should be utterly rejected and even the religious should...
  5. rivenrock

    Does religion impair vital critical thinking skills?

    Absolute thinking of any kind requires the rejection of reason. Faith-based religion relies on, encourages, even demands in some cases, this kind of absolute thinking, where a doctrine or dogma is considered indisputably true, even when it baulks against reason. Therefore, yes, adhering to faith...
  6. rivenrock

    A Candid Discussion on Homosexuality

    There are many points that could be made, and have been made. IF you believe the biological imperative is the core of human existence, then sure, homosexuality could be seen as a dysfunction, as it does not serve that imperative. Neither does polycystic ovarian syndrome or any of the many other...
  7. rivenrock

    Faith in Christ is Completely Logical

    The core element of the 'plan of salvation' - the Atonement - is both unreasonable and immoral. God kills one of his children (don't argue that he didn't technically kill him, as you know it was his will, and that when Jesus asked for 'this cup to be removed' he was denied. God required him to...
  8. rivenrock

    Is Christianity consistant w/ judaism?

    (Several quotes from texts follow.) Apologies Jay. For reasons so old I don't remember them, I dropped out of the forums just after I posted in this topic. Your answer was actually excellent and I wish I'd been around to acknowledge that. From a Christian point of view it's very easy to see...
  9. rivenrock

    For those of you looking for absolute proof that God exists....

    Thanks, I should have said simply that I do not believe that God is (or should be) more powerful than truth. Perhaps if I had worded it more like you did...
  10. rivenrock

    For those of you looking for absolute proof that God exists....

    Why yes, I do. :) If God is the author of 'right' or 'good' then anything God deems right IS right. It could change daily, it could jibe against our every sense of justice, it could (in other words) be completely arbitrary, and it would still be 'right'. This makes no logical sense to me. If...
  11. rivenrock

    For those of you looking for absolute proof that God exists....

    This is a very old topic, but I'm just coming back to the forums after a long time away and just catching up on these answers to some posts I wrote. Some of them I really wanted to respond to, and I hope the authors are still around. When discussing a point of religion that pertains to a...
  12. rivenrock

    Christian: Can Christians Be Unified?

    I don't think the doctrine/teachings of all Christian churches can be unified, but I think we could be more unified in the sense of: a) working together for good I am not a member of the Salvation Army, but I wouldn't hesitate to support them in their work for the poor and homeless. They have...
  13. rivenrock

    What would you say if...

    It wouldn't be him. It would be his clone - a physical copy, not the original Christ. It would look like him, not be him. So why would any Christian follow that?
  14. rivenrock

    First Ever RF Chain Letter

    Hi, I got it. I didn't pass it on because I don't pass on any chain letter, on principle. I also hope you have plenty of bandwidth. As this About.com article shows, these things can get out of hand, sometimes leading to so many hits that the server becomes overloaded.
  15. rivenrock

    Is Christianity consistant w/ judaism?

    Deut That was interesting, thanks. Of course I understand all the points about the messiah being mortal, etc. This makes me curious to ask what your take is on the idea you quoted that he will resurrect the dead. I'm also curious who Jews think that Isaiah was referring to in Isaiah 7:14 when...
  16. rivenrock

    Is Christianity consistant w/ judaism?

    If I misunderstood, just say so. Obviously, given the rest of my post, I was referring to your earlier post: Immediately following the first sentence with what looked like a clarification, gave me the impression you had referred to Christianity as the 'lunatic fringe'. Me misunderstanding...
  17. rivenrock

    Is Christianity consistant w/ judaism?

    Matthew 15 1-9 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? [not ommandments...traditions] for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress...
  18. rivenrock

    The Soul Defined?

    Astro-travelling. And that whole 21 grams thing hasn't quite been sorted yet.
  19. rivenrock

    For those of you looking for absolute proof that God exists....

    I believe that there are eternal principles of right and wrong that God chooses to adhere to. This is not about higher authority per se, but about things that simply are true. I believe that God understands those principles and abides by them. I have always found those 'can God build a rock...
  20. rivenrock

    For those of you looking for absolute proof that God exists....

    Some assumptions here. 1. That God is silent. 2. That we do not have his guidance. Some people believe in modern day apostles and prophets and in modern day revelation. Also, I'm not Catholic, but I'm also pretty sure that many of the Catholics who waited anxiously for the decision on the new...
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