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  1. Mudcat

    How I Understand the Trinity

    Given your view, clear something up for me. If we accept that the Church is the bride of Christ and we also accept the Church's members are regenerated by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which seems to be a maternal figure of Christ. Then doesn't it seem a bit incestuous? Is that something...
  2. Mudcat

    God's opposition to homosexuality. Why?

    As for poor fortune, well there isn't much I can say in that way but neither do I see that is relevant. Neither do I see failure to multiply by choice as relevant to the issue. IMO, they are independent from one another. But the Bible does not say much in way of contraception. Here is an...
  3. Mudcat

    God's opposition to homosexuality. Why?

    That is quite a lot of speculation on your part, to suggest the Bible was actually silent on the matter. You have both OT and NT citations that there were such moral injunctions. There is quite a bit of fairly early dated manuscript evidence for injunction in NT. The Qumran texts, seem to...
  4. Mudcat

    God's opposition to homosexuality. Why?

    I don't see the validity of a "some not all" defense. According to scripture, God has put forth that homosexual acts are against nature and wrong in his sight. God's command was to be fruitful.. multiply. If all preferred their own sex, this would certainly be counter reproductive for the...
  5. Mudcat

    God's opposition to homosexuality. Why?

    Skwim, on this deal with homosexuality. As a Christian, I feel that God has spoken through his word that such actions are sinful.. against nature and so forth. Given the length of the thread, it's likely already been proffered but... If all, only had orgasmic relations with their own gender...
  6. Mudcat

    Freewill Excuse = For Theists Fearing the Label Deism?

    I have never seen the concept of freewill as excuse offering. Bold mine, you should look up some topics like suicide and self-mutilation. People actually do harm themselves. Those were some very explicit examples.. smoking, drug/alcohol abuse and so forth are others. I don't think Christians...
  7. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    Did you have choice in the matter? ;) Seriously though, if you have reached the conclusion that the axiom that we make choices is indeed baseless, I would like to hear your thoughts on it. You are the person that makes choices for yourself, likewise I make my own and so forth. My fault as...
  8. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    Thanks for the clarification Koldo. I think we can select what we will.
  9. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    I don't like answering questions with questions, but I want clarity on the issue. It seems we may be talking past one another. To avoid a faulty correlation, can you you give me a definition of sorts, as to what you mean by "will" exactly?
  10. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    To the first. In the example of smoking, I suppose there are a myriad of ways the initial desire came into existence.... peer pressure, popularity, some sort of response to advertising and so forth. To the second, no not particularly. In retrospect heroin addiction would have been a more...
  11. Mudcat

    Who is the Observer?

    I think I may be in same camp as everyone else who would like to look at source documentation. I "Googled" the Doctors name and only came up with a link to this thread. I don't mind offering speculation, as long as their is a fair platform for it, but I don't see one available. Regards...
  12. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    I'll try and get back to your post, I owe Koldo a response prior to this. But I am bumping ahead for just a moment. On this part, I wasn't satisfied with the definitions proffered from your source and feel that the one I have provided is more relevant. Def 1 and 2 from your source are closer...
  13. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    Hi Atanu, Sorry if you felt slighted by my lack of response. My initial purpose was to engage Skwim directly. I only have limited time for responses, so I choose to not open other lines of communication. However, I have now apparently gotten engaged with Koldo and yourself on the topic. I...
  14. Mudcat

    Is Heaven even worth it?

    Hi G, I haven't read the thread in entirety, so please dismiss redundancy if it occurs. I agree there is no sin in heaven, but I don't think it is due to the removal of our nature, rather an addition to it. The Easter Orthodox have a view that I share, that we Christ believers will be...
  15. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    Fair enough. I tried to address this a bit later in my post. To be clearer, given the notion of your "flat Earth" scenario. The perception that it was flat was an assumption without verification. No one at the time could perceive the entire surface of the Earth. No one at that time literally...
  16. Mudcat

    Religious people: Have you met god(s)?

    To answer, Yes I have. The short answer to your askance about what happened, would be that my life changed for the better. The longer answer would be for me to recount my testimony. Christian Unity The above link sort of covers the details of that. But it really ends not to far after my...
  17. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    I would agree with you here superficially, but not entirely I think. Bold mine, the reason I don't entirely agree is that there are two things that I think struggle with one another. Our rational will and our desires. It is possible, I think for a person to act against their own will for the...
  18. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    It depends on what A and B are representative of I suppose. I typically try to reason through my choices. I think there are instances where A and B are not given any serious logical rigor and could be random selection. In example, A and B being two white t-shirts hanging side by side in my...
  19. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    I appreciate your admission that your example was ridiculous. ;) I offered my initial statement as a bit of a summary and I have admitted it could have been stated better. I'll try to be more specific, with the caveat that I am no expert in propositional logic and would hope that you can...
  20. Mudcat

    A challenge to show me wrong

    It isn't that the analogy is inexplicably off track on my part, rather I don't see the point in explaining the obvious, nevertheless... My summation was: Premise 1. We perceive making choices Premise 2. If we perceive making choices, then we can choose. Conclusion. We can choose. Your...
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