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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    First of all, parallel Universes would explain this very simply; an absolutely astounding ammount of Universes makes it possible for one of them to beat absolutely astounding odds. Second, this Universe wants us dead all the time. Look over our history the past billion years and you'll see...
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    Definition of order and complexity

    Yes, but forgive me if I'm wrong, but chaos is not a scale. Something's either chaotic or it's not Um, yes, I got straight A's in algorithm classes but I'm talking about the layout of the Universe not run times. Problems can absolutely be more complicated for a computer to solve (and...
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    Definition of order and complexity

    Absolutely, but it does mean that until we do know what we're looking for we aren't going to find it. So why believe it exists? Again, I don't even know what it is that I'm suppoed to see. My gut feelings and initial expression when I look around is not enough to convince me of what's true...
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    Definition of order and complexity

    When I've discussed creationism with people they always go on and on about complexity, order and the Universe beng fine tuned. I always get lost around there because I can't seem to understand what definition people are talking about. The way I see it, there's no way to really measure order. I...
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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    If a fine tuned Universe means that some intelligent designer personally made sure every bit of it was doing exactly what it was supposed to do, I see no reason at all to believe that's the case. So no. If that is your definition, otherwise I would love to hear your definition of a fine tuned...
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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    I just don't see this perfect order or how it isn't "imperfect order" or unordered at all because I'm yet to see a clear definition of order. I would say that when my desk is tidy, it's ordered and I can easily find my papers. When it's not, it's unordered and it becomes more complicated to find...
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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    Sure. Explain to me what properties designed things have. Then, give me an example of something that is not designed and try to explain how not being designed made it have the properties it has. If I can find something that is not designed still possessing that property, you're definition is...
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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    The World is complex and that's precisely why my gut instinct tells me it's not designed. Let's look at two examples here; a landfill and a university library. They're both really, really huge but still very different. All of the things in a landfill has changed over the course of time, and a...
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    "You can't prove there is no god so hah"

    No, you don't have to give a counter example. If you say "I shot the governor with this gun, in his heart" and I find his heart intact, that's enough to disprove you, I don't have to explain how he died. And yes, they are the same thing. You say "this Universe was created by a god, with these...
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    Why I think belief in God is irrational.

    I study computer engineering, meaning I deal with abstract concepts all the time. Sure, we do lots and lots of performance reviews, but most of the time we use logic and math to express ourselves. That's because computers are stupid, they can't see the World and when they do use sensors...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    But, shouldn't there at least be a correlation between how much the priests work and the effects? I think there should even be a causal relationship. Sure, let's get down to what I mean in that case; the driving force in Europe for women's suffrage, an end to discrimination of women and...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    Yes, and here's what's so weird; buddhists don't congregate as much as christians do, it's more of a somewhat independent religion and the majority of the responsibility to keep traditions going is on family. And even if it wasn't, are you saying christian congregations offers nothing buddhist...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    Ever heard the story of "The Four Asian Tigers"? There was once upon a time four countries who were desperately poor, illiterate, unskilled and severely hurt by the largest war in history. They did have some contact with christianity, going back not much more than a century, but christianity...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    In Sweden, church going is really, really rare (less than 10% of the population) and we have more people who practice christianity then attend church (as weird as that sounds). They claim that understanding of the Bible and God can be achieved on an individual level. I can't say anything about...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    Ok, so what difference do clergy make? What differences can we expect to emerge between a congregation and a constellation of christians living alone, never ever congregating? Ok, so it just provides the comfort of a community and that's it? What do the priests teach? How does one benefit from...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    This is actually an answer, but you just need to remember that you can't call yourself critical and questioning if you stick to it. He decided my entire, genetic make up. He decided I would get born in a First World country. He decided I should not have the ability to travel through time. Why...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    Wait, I'm supposed ask him about it? Did everyone else do that too, like "you know, this is your word and all, are you comfortable with me preaching it?"? Absolutely, there could be a reason he takes a sub-optimal route. I want to hear it. And they do a far, far worse job than God would do and...
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    What's the point of clergy?

    These disclaimers never work, but I want to know I did what I could: This discussion only refers to omnipotent, perfect and all loving gods. And, obviously, I'm only discussing organized religions with clergy in them, like imams, priests or the like. If your religion is not about omnipotent...
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    Faith Is Not Belief Without Evidence

    Why would we dismiss it? I mean, this is evidence handed down by God, and nobody knows it's demographic better than an omnipotent being. It sounds odd that he would hand humanity evidence that not even the majority would accept.
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    Why does God communicate ambiguously?

    I don't. I don't even know if there is even the slightest bit of communication between me and God, if he even wants me to acknowledge his existance or if he wants anything. So, if he did mean to initiate a relationship, or make me aware of the fact that I have to initiate a relationship, that...
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