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  1. Commoner

    Atheists Only: Would this be proof?

    Well, this would certainly be a strong case for the effectiveness of prayer. But, no matter how impressive 250.000 people being cured is, 250.000 separate instances would be the real "proof", repeatable experiments, controlled conditions. But yeah - your example would certainly make me...
  2. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Of course that also applies to hairiness. :rolleyes:
  3. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Again, why? Why is this a necessary condition?
  4. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Well, exactly. We have a sample of one (1) universe and we haven't even explored our own planet entirely, let alone our solar system, galaxy, etc. As far as universes go, this might be excellent, crappy or hairy - who knows? In any case, I'm just saying, the connection "A ____ creator will...
  5. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Ok, can't an "excellent" (and hairy :)) cook prepare a less than excellent meal once in a blue moon? Can't an idiot come up with a brilliant idea?
  6. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Why? I mean, really, what's the connection? Does a hairy "creator" only create hairy things?
  7. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Well, of course I did, I'm perfect. :rolleyes:
  8. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Poor b'stard, it's like being in a casino where you never lose, for all eternity you always get exactly what you want.
  9. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    Right - so: 1. God is perfect 2. Perfect entities cannot create anything imperfect 2. Everything created by god is perfect (i.e., life, the universe and everything) 3. We, the perfect people created by the perfect god, created the concept of "imperfect" 4. "Imperfect" is either nonsensical and...
  10. Commoner

    Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?

    =translation: God only creates things that are less than perfect. Also, two years ago... :rolleyes:
  11. Commoner

    The Cosmological Argument

    But that's the point of simultaneous causation - that it happens in the same instance. It's not that (what was) the cause and what is the effect exist at the same time - that's easy. No, a cause must "cause" the effect without any time having passed. In the case of you sitting, it's your ***...
  12. Commoner

    Marry the rapist or have 12-year prison sentence

    Something like this, for instance: Sharia In Indonesia | Power Line
  13. Commoner

    The Cosmological Argument

    *Preface: I purposefully left some things out that I thought didn't necessarily need to be addressed any further to focus on what I think are the important points. Otherwise, these discussions tend to spiral out of control, but - if you want me to address anything in particular, let me know.*...
  14. Commoner

    Thank you kindly for the fubal, good Sir! xD

    Thank you kindly for the fubal, good Sir! xD
  15. Commoner

    Is there ANY objective morality, or is it all subjective?

    What you've just decribed makes "killing is wrong" realtive, not subjective. There's a big difference as I'm sure you know. It's perfectly possible that killing is moral in some situations and not in others - in fact, isn't that kind of universally accepted? That does not make it not-objective...
  16. Commoner

    The Cosmological Argument

    That's more a ploblem for you than it is for me, I don't assume such a thing is possible. It might seem like it's instantaneous, but transfer of energy requires time - the cause and the effect aren't simultaneous. And the cause of the dent isn't your ***, it's you sitting down and applying...
  17. Commoner

    The Cosmological Argument

    How can a cause and an effect happen simultaneously? I don't know, I have no need to assume simultaneous causation is possible. Nor do I see how something can "happen before" something else in the absence of time. Why would you assume it can? The use of "cause" and "effect" is essentially...
  18. Commoner

    Is there ANY objective morality, or is it all subjective?

    Yes, the question is on what grounds does someone tells you something is bad (for you)? Is there something objectively "bad for you" and "bad in general" (regarding its effect on other people, the society you live in and ultimately, you) in robbing a bank? I say, yes, indeed there is. Whether I...
  19. Commoner

    Is there ANY objective morality, or is it all subjective?

    There's a difference between it being "up to you" how you choose to think and behave and the fact that there could be an optimal way of doing something. You "could" decide to jump out of a window in order to improve your chances of survival as opposed to not jumping out of the window (for no...
  20. Commoner

    The Cosmological Argument

    How can you "decide" something - deciding is a process, you can't do it without time. Where exactly has this simultaneous causation been observed? I'll help you out - it hasn't been - as far as we know, there is no such thing. So the strenght of the argument of simultaneous causation is no...
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