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    What is your most important Value(s)?

    What is your most important Value(s)? This is the thing that drives you. When you fail to live up to it you feel guilty and try to compensate. You probably notice the lack of it in others or in the world at large and often say something about it, or even try to do something to fix the problem.
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    Christians, please give me some proof/evidence that Christianity is true.

    I will respond to the rest of your post tomorrow if I can. It is truly worth responding to, but my laptop is about to die and its 1:05AM. I am enjoying this thread, and i hope you are too. But if this is all really upsetting you then we will stop -inq
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    Christians, please give me some proof/evidence that Christianity is true.

    When I say "creator" i am really saying the opposite of what you seem to think I mean. My creator is truly the source of all these things, the whole universe, and so He did not need any pre-existing material. He only spoke things into existence. Since when does someone need to be imperfect...
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    Christians, please give me some proof/evidence that Christianity is true.

    The point is that I shouldn't be able to imagine something better than my creator. If I do, then the one who claims to be my creator can't possibly be my creator. do you agree or disagree with that? Comparing the Christian Heaven with Moksha is secondary here. What is primary is the means...
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    Christians, please give me some proof/evidence that Christianity is true.

    My Dad Can Beat Up Your Dad! Yes, proving that Christianity is true is totally different than just proving theism. So for this post, let’s assume that there really is a God and that He/She/It has revealed the true religion. However, the second I do this, I’ll end up picking a...
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    LDS Doctrine According to LDS and Non-LDS

    Scott, Yes, I'm sure that the original 12 Apostles sometimes mused and shared their particular ideas with others at times. But what if they actually taught those ideas and expected them to taken as the truth, even the word of God, and the church did not accept it as doctrinal? In the KFD for...
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    LDS Doctrine According to LDS and Non-LDS

    Thank-you again you guys for replying, as you are taking time out of your days to do so.:bow: You are right, there are about a 100 potential threads here, and yes, I way over-simplified for the sake of at least getting it on paper as a single thought. But for now, the questions that I had...
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    Is God responsible for the formation of evil and suffering?

    What if God put the Tree in the Garden and told them not to eat from it in order for them to learn to obey even when it doesn't make sense? This was a test of loyalty, forcing Adam and Eve to consider whether God really did intend their good, or if he was holding out on them. Can we love...
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    LDS Doctrine According to LDS and Non-LDS

    Whoo hoo! Back online! I live and work at my Church as a youth pastor and last week the tech-squad from our parent-church put a password on our once open wireless network, but neglected to send me the memo! So I apologize for being MIA this past week after starting a discussion. I won't lie...
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    LDS Doctrine According to LDS and Non-LDS

    ...sorry about that. The guy who posted those questions has been sacked. Here are the real questions...According to LDS Doctrine: 1) What is the nature of God? 2) What is Salvation? 3) How does Salvation happen to an individual? LDS: please answer with what you believe to be official LDS...
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    LDS Doctrine According to LDS and Non-LDS

    In the past I have talked to LDS and said something like, "You believe that God is a man, right?" To which some have replied, "Yes," and others "NO! We believe in the same God as you!" When I hear the latter response I quote some LDS Prophet or Apostle and am promptly told: "You don't...
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

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    God's non-existence: The full proof

    Suba Pete: oy-vey. RiverWolf: Didn't Tolkien believe in Evil? Didn't Galdalf? If Sauron won, then effect of the cause would have been that the Shire would have been devoured...which would have been...bad...Evil, right? I'm pretty sure that Eru-Illuvitar frowned upon Evil as well, and that...
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    God's non-existence: The full proof

    But if God is supernatural, then He can even defy point #1, couldn't He? I heartily agree with point #2!
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

    The God we are talking about is the same who was tortured and executed for the sins of the world, including littering. But besides that, are you saying that taunting God is no worse than littering? Seriously, you've got explain that one! If you can show that, then you may have a case that His...
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    God's non-existence: The full proof

    Ok, here goes: Agreed, Logic (Wisdom etc.) was not created if it is a part of God Himself. I believe Proverbs 8, and John 1:1 would attest to that, as well as several passages stating how God needed no one's advice when He created the universe. I would also agree with you that God presently...
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

    (Sorry, I've been gone/busy all week) Penguin: good point you made, that if God is presently killing us all through the judgment he placed on Adam then the 42 teen-agers received no real special punishment at all. But on the other hand, wouldn't we rather die later than sooner? And wouldn't...
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

    And what is God supposed to embody?
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

    That's interesting. I don't have much access to Jewish commentaries (my library hasn't branched that far yet). In your translation it says "go away" instead of "go up," which seems to lead to a different understanding of the content of their jeering...? Please elaborate, because I'm curious...
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    Attack of the She-Bears...

    Yes, He ordered, genocide, conquest, sent his angels to kill enemy soldiers or even the firstborn of Egypt...the list goes on. If He is God, how is that wrong?
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