Interesting that none of these references are from the gospels, and therefore attributable to the recognized head of the Christian church, Christ Jesus. This is one of the reasons I've never been able to accept the "heaven up there" concept.
And perhaps a scriptural interpretation that all Christians might agree on rather than being divided by the Greek Orthodox Bible (with a 79-book canon), the Catholic Bible (with a 73-book canon), and multiple translations of the Protestant Bible (with a 66-book canon). If they could all agree on...
1Thess 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we...
But that is not what it says, it is only what you believe it says, what you interpret it to mean.
1Thessalonians4:13-18
New International Version
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind...
Whether it is said by Jesus or not does not matter. You deny that Jesus said that He will come back (eg John 14:3 etc), so you don't really care if Jesus said it or not.
Apart from that it is good to see that you acknowledge that there is a passage that says "the same Jesus will return as He...
Yokefellow, i was going to reply to all of your original post on this thread, however, after reading through some of the posts above, its pointless.
Whether or not you are willing to accept my criticism or not, your entire theology in this thread is deeply deficient in the presumptions that it...
Hi @InChrist . Good points you posted. I will address...
I disagree of course. :)
The above verse is almost always misinterpreted with a bias towards making it sound like everyone 'has to die' and that it is 'only one time'.
Remember, there is a Second Death as well...
Revelation 21:8
"But...
I believe when there is a long period between incarnations the tendency before people knew about Heaven from Jesus was to sleep. When I die I will not sleep but I will be subject to God's judgment as to what is good for me.
Ok, thank you. I think it is not the same as reincarnation, if people are raised from the death.
And about Ecclesiastes 3:21, I think it is also good to notice that it says:
And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.
Ecc. 12:7
Hebrews 9:27 isn't the only scripture in the Bible with a claim of what will allegedly happen in the afterlife.
There is also Ecclesiastes 3:21, which asks, "Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” Then there is Revelation 20:13...
Jesus mentioned the appearance of a ghost in Luke 24:37–39 because his disciples thought he was a ghost. 1 Samuel 28:7–20 mentions the ghost of Samuel communicating with King Saul and warning him that God would deliver both him and Israel into the hands of the Philistines because of his...
I looked at various translatioms of those verses and it's interesting. The idea that their bodies were ejected from the tombs and others reported it makes sense.
My body sleeps every day.
So which is it.... Arose to life, or awakened from sleep?
If the message is important enough to put into the chapter, you would think that they addressed it and then named the persons.
That could be another zombie episode
What's holy about any city? Jerusalem is...
That verse is puzzling to many.
Some, believe They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection.
Jesus was resurrected three days later, however.
This suggests that verses 27 and 28 are not connected with reference to the holy ones.
Interestingly, the verse uses key expressions... And the...
Thats what's dishonest about you, and I'm not angry. I've dealt with dishonest and condescending posters before. I quote the original text concerning Elijiah going up to heaven but you cant accept it. So, you put soooooo much effort into discrediting the scriptures by adding your doctrine yet...
Seriously?
Clearly, you are upset that the scriptures are against you, and because you insist on your own views being correct you speak words that only Satan would want someone to say to a person who is only using God's word.
Think about it. Why would you suddenly turn on someone, and say...
I said: " When humans die our bodies return to dust, we are unconscious until the resurrection in heaven."
You snarked: "According to Colt. ...and your source is...? A spirit?"
I quoted the Bible concerning the sleep of death part:
I see you deliberately omitted the relevant part relative...
Says the guy who makes an outrageous claim, then when asked for scriptural support, pulls out a random verse which has nothing to do with anything he asserted.
Copied and pasted the entire text from Bible Gateway too... the first result from the google search.
You know that's not called study...
My source is the Bible, you should study it more.
1Thessalonians4:13-17
New International Version
Believers Who Have Died
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14...
Exactly. Some Christians hold the view that after they die, they will immediately go to heaven to be with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:8), while others hold the view that they will sleep in their graves until Jesus raises them from the dead in a later rapture event (1Thessalonians4:13–17). In other...