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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    It would seem our disagreement is over the meaning of dictatorship. You have cited a number of political regimes (if I may call them that) which, according to you, constitute true dictatorships. I have neither the time nor the inclination to verify each example. Nor would it serve any purpose...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    It's not my job to research a cut-and-paste list of names and try to imagine what your point may be. I, on the other hand, have repeatedly argued my point, namely, that morality is not necessary to the survival of a society, indeed a society's survival is not even the purpose of morality. My...
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    Wow that guy can play! And the band has only 3 musicians, it appears, but they have such a full...

    Wow that guy can play! And the band has only 3 musicians, it appears, but they have such a full sound. Amazing. Maybe I should sell my Strat and take up basket weaving...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Snore. Do you have a single thought in your head that you wish to articulate, or are you going to keep supplying me with lists of names?
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    Why did God create evil?

    Santa Clause does not create all the toys because there are too many needed. He gave the elves freedom of choice as to what to make, and some of them did not make the right choice. I used to have trouble understanding this until I read "The Night Before Christmas". Here is a link for you...
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    Why did God create evil?

    I just want to be sure that everybody understands the importance of what is meant by the "forbidden fruit". There was no actual fruit involved, whatsoever. This was a metaphor. Knowledge of "good" and "evil" is what was forbidden by god in the Bible. It strikes me as rather odd that god...
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    Why did God create evil?

    Not apples, nuts. Ha ha.
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Excellent point. Well said. I agree completely. How very true. The road to ruin is often paved with good intentions. I found your post very interesting and informative! I see now that Robespierre was almost a tragic victim of his over zealous ambition to elevate Reason to the level of a...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    How? You haven't said a word on this subject. No need, however, since as I keep saying, (and you keep dodging), a dictatorship—by its own definition—precludes the existence of morality for its subjects. Your only response is to provide a list of dictators as some sort of imagined...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Yes, due to our egocentricity, we restrict the application of the Golden Rule to our own back yard. How hypocritical. You agree, I trust, that should a small tribe or an entire country choose to apply the Golden Rule selectively, to keep it to themselves, does not reflect any limitation on the...
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    Why did God create evil?

    Firstly, there is NO mention of any "apple" involved in this nutty story. For no good reason reason, their omniscient god did not want Adam and his girlfriend to have any knowledge concerning "Good" and "Evil". This knowledge was the forbidden "fruit", not some apple. (Somehow, people began...
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    Why did God create evil?

    There is no such thing as "evil". It's just another nonsense word like "devil" and "god". But to lower myself to the level of a beguiled Christian for one minute, I must point out to you that Adam and Eve were prohibited by their creator from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil...
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    Why did God create evil?

    Please do not generalize your own experiences as truth.
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Are you encouraging me to advance my knowledge of Roman history for any particular reason? Did you have a point in mind? In this thread when we talk about ethics, it is understood that we are talking within the context of morality. Moral philosophy is the branch of philosophy that addresses...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Firstly, for clarification, atheism is not antitheism or antitheist. Granted, I am strongly antitheist but this persuasion is not attributable to atheism, which is simply the rejection (negation) of theism (its beliefs and assertions, etc). The prefix "a-" is not to be confused with "anti-"...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    Isn't this a self-contradiction? Perhaps you meant that certain factions under the rule of the dictatorship went underground and defiantly embraced the Golden Rule. That is undoubtedly what did occur. Nevertheless, my assertion stands: The Roman Empire did not need morality (the Golden Rule)...
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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    There were no ethics under this cruel dictatorship. That is the whole point. Yet, in spite of its absence, the Roman Empire flourished. So how can you still argue that morality is necessary for the survival of a society? (My foot is tapping...)
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    God(s) don't create morals or moral systems . . .

    Joe: "Morality comes from within our hearts, our humanity." Mary: "But your heart and your humanity were created by god." And around we go. So long, everyone. And good luck!
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    Undercover atheists in LDS Church

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    Atheist Ethics and Morality

    The Golden Rule is a not necessary for a society's survival. The Roman Empire functioned just fine as a cruel, immoral, dictatorship. So, morality is not necessary at all. It is, however, most desirable if you wish to live in a society that prefers a code of conduct based upon the principle of...
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