John 17:21, 22 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
No, actually you demonstrate your own indoctrination. It takes a lot of ignorance to believe that Jesus is God when he never once ever said that he was.....you have to read it into all these verses which tell me that you do not know scripture.....but you do know the script.
Lets see.....in...
Revelation 3:14 does not mention the name Jesus. Nor does Colossians 1:15. Here, it mentions the 'Son'.
Did the Holy Spirit descend on Jesus at birth, or at baptism?
When saying, “I and the Father are one,” did Jesus mean that they were equal?
Turning to John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances...
The adjective hen is in the neuter case which means they are in agreement, not that they are both God (or any thing else). We see this same use of hen at John 17:21, 22 for God, Jesus and men.
I believe you are incorrect The Holy Spirit (Paraclete) is the Holy Spirit in believers. He should not be diminished because of where He is.
I believe the Trinity is logical but there are views of it by people that are illogical. Perhaps you are one of those people but my view of the Trinity is...
Yes, the words "holy" and "spirit" sometimes refers to God, in which case it is Capitalized. Other times it refers to the gift God first gave to the apostles on the day of Pentecost, and which all Christians receive at the new birth. In those case, it should not be capitalized. There is the...
No. That one is a unity. If Jesus was proposing pantheism he would say directly that "all you see is God. There is no difference between reality and God. Its all him. He is manifest in every stone and every animal".
In John17:21-22 Jesus prays about pantheism by asking that believers become one with God just as Jesus is one with God. For those who believe Jesus is God the verse is basically saying believers can be part of that oneness to the same degree as Jesus.
Mark 13:32 RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
That would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from...
Heck, how could you not smile knowing what God has done for us!
RE: Echad
This is what I got from The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible by Jeff A. Benner:
I don't really remember exactly what I said about echad, but that is where I got the idea of it including the idea of unity.
I'm not...
That is not my understanding metis. As Jesus was ascending to heaven, the disciples asked if he was going to restore the Kingdom to Israel at that time? (Acts 1:6) This indicates that the Jews had an expectation of the Kingdom being earthly, not heavenly. (All of Jesus' disciples were Jewish)...
I can tell you don't understand what I have said, BECAUSE I DON"T BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY!
Why did the Messiah say destroy this temple (speaking of his body) and in 3 days I will raise it up? Are you saying he lied to us? The only way for this to be true, is if the Spirit of God dwelling in...
As I have said before....God is the Supreme Being...he did not need to become a human to save mankind. He sent his faithful and willing servant to carry out that task. Jesus was a servant of his Father.
Acts 3:13-15..."The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath...
Christendom's scholars mistranslated the Bible to support their trinity doctrine.
An example....John 1:1 (which is often used as the prime example of the trinity,) is undone in verse 18 where it says in the NASB..." No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of...
Agreed. For Trinitarians it shows unity within the Godhead.
Let's get it right Hockeycowboy. It is not Trinitarians who misapply this verse, but Modalists. Unitarians like yourself commonly misapply Modalist to Trinitarian theology.
If you twist Modalists into Trinitarians, you'll twist...
Jesus meant he and his Father were 'one', in the sense of unity:
John 17:22
Yet trinitarians continue to misapply Jesus' statement at John 10:30, even tho He explained the oneness they shared in John17:21-22.
It's obvious what Jesus meant.
If they twist that passage, they'll twist others.
I'm not saying what it seems you think I am saying. Anyway -we will not likely agree here.
You were correct about "almighty" and "mighty", etc. I don't have much spare time and posted in haste -but that has nothing to do with my overall point.
John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the...
I have heard many say that Jesus is Yahweh. Do you believe that Jesus is Yahweh?
Would you like to read what you just wrote and see how ridiculous that is...? How is one equal part of the godhhead obedient to himself? Why is the Father in authority if the son is equally God? Show me where both...