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Us? Our?
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Lightkeeper
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The NIV Bible states that in Gen 1:26 God is speaking as Creator King and is "announcing his crowning work to the members of his heavenly court." Could he have been talking to Satan?
Corban
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Lightkeeper said:
My only problem with that, i will lighlty address and will later post a topic so it can be adequately examined. i take occasion with use of the NIV, I prefer to dring water at the source not downstream when it has been handled by ignorant translators. 2 Peter 1:20 "knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." who are these translotors of the NIV, why should i listen to their private interpretation?
Lightkeeper
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It seems they answered your question. Many Christian colleges are using the NIV Bible.
No one knows for sure who God is refering to when he says "Us". Some believe that he was speaking to Jesus because Jesus was there at the beginning of everything. Others believe that God was speaking like a king. Kings sometimes spoke in this manner when they were really speaking about themselves or their rulership. Just something that I heard.
Lightkeeper
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Abingdon Bible Commentary, suggests that the "us-our" could be a relic of old polytheistic phraseology and the writer didn't catch it.
There is a special type of plural in Hebrew (and lots of other languages) that has a plural form even though it is numerically singular with a singular verb and singular adjective. These nouns are called majestic plurals. The meaning of the plural suffix in the majestic plural is not that there is more than one of the noun, but that the noun is "great, absolute, or majestic". In Gen. 1:26 the verb is in the plural, also because it refers to the introductory "Elohim" (God), which has the majestic plural form.
It is slightly more complicated in Gen. 1:1, which in Hebrew clearly states "... the two heavens ...", and yet there is very little discussion on why there were two. Out of 14 translations I checked, 10 versions write one heaven, and only three make them two. The Arabic translation follows the Hebrew text and has two.
As always, what matters is the overall message, not the separate jots and tittles.
It is slightly more complicated in Gen. 1:1, which in Hebrew clearly states "... the two heavens ...", and yet there is very little discussion on why there were two. Out of 14 translations I checked, 10 versions write one heaven, and only three make them two. The Arabic translation follows the Hebrew text and has two.
As always, what matters is the overall message, not the separate jots and tittles.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
Corban said:
This is not a debate forum. You asked what "US-OUR" meant and I cited two works on the subject.
Corban
Member
"This is not a debate forum. You asked what "US-OUR" meant and I cited two works on the subject.[/quote]"
the greatest learning must allow for questions. if this is truly an educational forum we should be able to question the things that are said, not in the spirit of debate, i am not trying to prove you wrong, but in the spirit of education, your answer had holes that needed clarifying
the greatest learning must allow for questions. if this is truly an educational forum we should be able to question the things that are said, not in the spirit of debate, i am not trying to prove you wrong, but in the spirit of education, your answer had holes that needed clarifying
LCMS Sprecher
Member
I was equally confused by this translation Corban. I am a pastor's kid in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and my dad said that the NIV has quite a few translation errors in it. I can only suspect that this is one of them.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
"Corban said:
It wasn't my answer. Don't shoot the messanger.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
LCMS Sprecher said:
If you want to debate the NIV Bible, then start a topic in the Religious debate section.
LCMS Sprecher
Member
Didn't mean to start a debate. Just throwing it out there that this could be a translation error. I am not against the NIV (I use it as my primary Bible), however it has been known to have translation problems. I do not mean to call into question its validity.
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
anders said:
It came from the NIV Notes (commentary).