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Difference between Luciferanism and Satanism?

shadow_fire

Member
I've been reading on Satanism quite a bit, and I consider myself to be a Satanist largely. But Luciferanism is a bit harder to find information on. I read some of the threads around here and at one moment I think "Oh, ok Luciferanism is sort of like theistic Satanism" but then I remember that there is theistic Satanism. So in how many ways do Luciferanism and Satanism differ (besides for the fact that Lavey is the creator of modern satanism)

Please, cleanse my ignorance.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
Luciferianism also comes in the theistic and atheistic varieties. The reason you mostly have read about theistic Luciferianism here is because I do most of the posting on the subject and I'm a theist. :D

Luciferians tend to believe that Lucifer and Satan are separate entities. We don't consider ourselves Satanists because we're not all that concerned about Satan...we're focused on Lucifer instead.

We look at Satan as the accuser, the adversary. I think eventually, Satan would have rebelled with or without a reason. It's his nature to do so. He doesn't like to be tied down to one set of rules. We see Lucifer as an intellectual who really only rebelled because it was necessary. It's kind of hard to explain without saying things that offend Satanists, honestly. I can give it a try and if it needs to be moved to a debate forum, we can do that.
 

wednesday

Jesus
^ I am also interested, i never knew luciferianism existed until i came here and ive read a lot on Satanism. To be perfectly honest no matter what you say you'll always offend someone, so you might as well speak your mind and those who object can deal with it.
 

shadow_fire

Member
I agree with wednesday. Its hard to talk about religion without offending someone (especially if the religions don't really get along)

But it is worth mentioning that Satanism values intellect a lot. And from my reading I don't believe that Satan would rebel without a reason, because hes far too intellectual. (Take note that I'm completely nontheistic)
 

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
I'm glad someone asked this, I've actually been little perplexed about the differences my self but for some reason never asked. Speaking of offending I can't help but find myself doing that as of lately here. But is there basically a Luciferian Bible or do Luciferians just use the fundamentals in the Satanic Bible?
 

morning-star

Light Bearer
I'm glad someone asked this, I've actually been little perplexed about the differences my self but for some reason never asked. Speaking of offending I can't help but find myself doing that as of lately here. But is there basically a Luciferian Bible or do Luciferians just use the fundamentals in the Satanic Bible?


I can only speak for myself but neither....Luciferians do not have set guide lines or rules....and the satanic bible differs from our views.
 

fallen angel zar'roc

Servant of Lucifer
Ðanisty;943007 said:
Luciferianism also comes in the theistic and atheistic varieties. The reason you mostly have read about theistic Luciferianism here is because I do most of the posting on the subject and I'm a theist. :D

Luciferians tend to believe that Lucifer and Satan are separate entities. We don't consider ourselves Satanists because we're not all that concerned about Satan...we're focused on Lucifer instead.

We look at Satan as the accuser, the adversary. I think eventually, Satan would have rebelled with or without a reason. It's his nature to do so. He doesn't like to be tied down to one set of rules. We see Lucifer as an intellectual who really only rebelled because it was necessary. It's kind of hard to explain without saying things that offend Satanists, honestly. I can give it a try and if it needs to be moved to a debate forum, we can do that.
Hi I'm a follower Luciferianism too. Yea, Satan is just going to cause Lucifer
 

Satanix

Setian Medic
I've been reading on Satanism quite a bit, and I consider myself to be a Satanist largely. But Luciferanism is a bit harder to find information on. I read some of the threads around here and at one moment I think "Oh, ok Luciferanism is sort of like theistic Satanism" but then I remember that there is theistic Satanism. So in how many ways do Luciferanism and Satanism differ (besides for the fact that Lavey is the creator of modern satanism)

Please, cleanse my ignorance.

Ignorance is natural when approaching a new subject. You will find that Satanists are not the monster that pop culture makes them out to be, I like that they do sometimes, but that's not what we are 24/7. Ignorance is also not stupidity, stupidity is denying ignorance of a subject when ignorance is implied. You are very smart to come to a satanist and ask, rather than a Christian or Jew that will only tell you from their superstitious slant.

LaVeyan Satanism is very effective. Logic is the utmost decider of what is "real" and what is not. Satan is the opposer and accuser of White Light Religious self-deceit. Luciferianism is effective as long as we don't allow out misunderstanding of the natural world, to lead us in unwisdom and self-deceit.

"The lie that is known to be a lie is half eradicated, but the lie that even intelligent persons accept as fact-the lie that has been inculcated in a little child at its mother's knee is more dangerous to contend against than a creeping pestilence!" -The Book of Satan 1:14

Lucifarian philosophy is good as long as we don't breach the lines of faith based theism. There is no evidence that Jesus, Buddha, Satan, or Lucifer exist as external beings. Satan is the opposer of faith based fabrications YHWH, Jesus, Miracles, External realms of existence.

Satanists observe Satan as the dark force of nature that the Satanist taps at will to live a vital life, free from religious guilt and self deceit. The Force is like entropy or gravity, not like some spiritual force that only people's empirical observations (which differ from person to person) can see. Those spiritual experiences, so many people use as reasons to believe in theistic forces, are often physiological and environmental misunderstandings.

Luciferianism is a more spiritual side of Satan, sometimes viewing Lucifer as the more justice and light side of life where Satan is the rebellious symbol against dogma. While this is okay to use, Lucifer took the name Satan (mythologically of course) because he opposed The Jewish god's skewed sense of justice, he opposed god because god threw him out heaven, like a tyrant would, rather than explain himself. God obviously did the same thing to Job, he failed to answer Job's question, as to while he was a test subject for god's will and power, he just told him that he was ignorant of god's power and he will never understand. Then he bribed job to keep his mouth just by giving him everything back but double.

To the Satanist, Lucifer and Satan are the same thing. Mythological beings that reflect philosophical values with in our religion. We don't worship The Devil or Satan, as The Devil is a bad description for an opposer. Devil means great deceiver in the greek, not opposer or one to question, it has no relation to the meaning of the name Satan. Christianity, Judaism and Islam relate the two names because they see people who have the balls to question religion as deceived or deluded to not take existence of great creators for face value (faith).

Satanists are satan's we are opposers and accusers of self-deception in religion and social society. We are above the "herd mentality" that Fredrick Nietzsche observed in White Light Religions and in societies deceived by convieint fads and cliques that maintain more control over their lives than they do.

If Satan opposes such a belief in gods, or external beings because that is what the god of the Bible, Quran and Tanakh was, then Theistic Satanists are only Heretical Christians, Jews and Muslims. They are also believing in a god and assuming that unexplainable stimuli are supernatural things. Magic is a natural force will and power of the human being, not of a god that opposes gods, that is a contradiction.
 

Feralbeest

Member
Luciferianism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is an article about veneration of the biblical Lucifer. For the 4th century sect, see Lucifer Calaritanus.
Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer, originally a name meaning the planet Venus when it rises ahead of the Sun.
Luciferianism is identified by some people as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the popular identification in some novels of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification or consider Lucifer as the light bearer aspect of Satan. Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan. They are inspired by the ancient Egyptian mythology, Roman mythology, Greek mythology, Gnosticism, and Western occultism.
Contents [hide]
1 Historical Luciferianism
2 Modern Luciferianism
3 Luciferian groups
4 See also
5 References
6 Further reading
[edit]Historical Luciferianism

The Gesta Treverorum records that in 1231, heretics began to be persecuted throughout Germany. Among them were Luciferians principally in the archdiocese of Trier, but also Mainz and Cologne. Over the following three years, several people were burned as a result. According to a papal letter from Gregory IX, dated 13 July 1233, one of the claims made by the Luciferians was that Lucifer had been cast out of Heaven unjustly. Women were implicated in the cult, and the Church accused those named as heretics of sexual perversities. The chronicler of the Gesta seems, however, to have confused Luciferians with the Cathars in some respects.[1]
[edit]Modern Luciferianism

Many modern self-described Luciferian groups exist, such as the Church of Lucifer, a 20-year-old organization founded by the late Rev. Robert Stills and passed on to Frederick Nagash and Rev. Satrinah Nagash. Also, books such as Kosmology by Jeremy Christner describe a Luciferian worldview inspired heavily by Gnosticism and classical Greek philosophy. Such modern groups vary widely, with some ascribing a more gnostic worldview, while others are largely derived from occult Satanism.
[edit]Luciferian groups

The Order of Phosphorus is a non-profit Luciferian Magical Order founded by Michael W. Ford. The Order, and its ecclesiastical arm "The Church of Adversarial Light", sanctifies core Luciferian traits of self-discipline, spiritual excellence and the predatory pursuit of knowledge. This initiatory magickal system fuses the complexities and rewards of traditional ceremonial magic with the efficacy of Chaos Magic. Progress is self-directed and heterodox, evidenced in the Order's diverse cross-section of Initiates including Theistic, Traditional and Atheistic Satanists, Gnostic Luciferians and a newly-emergent class of Left Hand Path pantheism.[2]
The Ordo Luciferis, as distinct from the Ordo Luciferi mentioned below, was a spiritual Luciferian group consisting of high-grade Freemasons. As testament to the intact and thriving systems of initiation in the Order of Phosphorus, the Ordo Luciferis graciously dissolved its own organization to honor and best contribute to the eminence of this Luciferian Current.[3]
The Ordo Luciferi is an international occult group that does not mandate any strict religious or dogmatic belief system. Otherwise known as "The Luciferian Order", the Ordo Luciferi exists to enable free discussion of philosophy, magic and lifestyle with like minded individuals. There is a series of six named degrees which are granted to members upon recognition by a Magus (third degree member) or above. There is also a "Working Group" designed for the co-ordination of practical workings. The Working Group is considered "The Official Think-Tank of The Luciferian Order" and is engaged in research and development of practical occult techniques.
The Temple of the Dark Sun (TDS) also known as the Order of the Dark Sun (ODS) is a Luciferian Occult Organisation that believes you must harness both Light and Dark Energies (Earth, and Universal) to create the natural balance within. Bringing pure undiluted Spirituality, the essence of Order and Chaos. The Order is selective on who is permitted to enter. The TDS has a level/degree system, and with all levels and degrees there are certain requirements that have to be met. This includes a person's attitude to others, hard work and Occult knowledge. No matter what the degree or knowledge base a person has earned from another group, all who are selected to become members will begin at the lowest level. Only the Founder of the organization can authorize levels or degrees within the Order. The Order does not have any links to other religious organizations.[4]
The Neo-Luciferian Church is a Gnostic and Luciferian organisation with roots in western esoterism, Thelema and Magick. Though the word "Church" suggests religion, the nature of the church is something apart from that. The Neo-Luciferian Church belongs in the succession from a number of churches, some Gnostic and Magical in origin, others belonging to traditional Christianity. It carries on the magical current from the Danish Luciferian "Ben Kadosh" Carl William Hansen and his Naassenic Gnostic Synod. The Neo-Luciferian Church is an outer school, a preparation of the individual in his or her aspiration towards The Inner Sanctuary, that inner order which has no name among men.
 

Nightingveil

Nightingveil
Although I am not a Luciferian, I do work with Lucifer in some of my rituals, and in my work as a spiritualist. In these cases, it's his embodiment of Light, and bringing illumination to the world, that I interact with primarily. He can be a male counterpart to Mary in these instances too (esp as Sophia), and together, they balance out the darker deities that I work with from the Hellenic pantheon.

This means I don't have a written doctrine to go by, and therefore some would see my way as invalid. In addition, although these could be considered Biblical figures, there are actually only a few mentions of Lucifer in the Bible. I don't see Lucifer and Satan as being the same, especially since Satan was originally a term used to describe anyone that was an adversary of the Abrahamic god. Ever wonder why this god stipulates that there shall be no other gods above him for his chosen people? Because they already had other gods, and he was trying to weed them out. i.e. in that sense, I think we could consider them all to be satan (enemy, rebel), because the victor gave the label.
 

Primordial Annihilator

Well-Known Member
I don't see Lucifer and Satan as being the same, especially since Satan was originally a term used to describe anyone that was an adversary of the Abrahamic god. Ever wonder why this god stipulates that there shall be no other gods above him for his chosen people? Because they already had other gods, and he was trying to weed them out. i.e. in that sense, I think we could consider them all to be satan (enemy, rebel), because the victor gave the label.

Interesting post.

Certainly I do not subscribe to Satanist doctrine...and do not see Lucifer as some amoral lying psychopathic monster who delights in having humans degrade themselves or worse for his amusement.

Lucifer knows that the most fertile ground for a human being to grow in is when it is in the proverbial excrement.
Which is why Lucifer sends his/her servants into the thick of it.
Following Lucifer is not about hedonism or avarice or self gratification...it is about rejecting those unimportant distractions so that one may learn.
 
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Kai'a

Freethinker
Imo saying 'satan is the enemy' isn't correct. Satan is a whisperer, someone who leads a person to question their faithfulness. Someone who leads people to decide between good x wrong, to consider their own affiliation with God. He has similar role even in Islam iirc. So his role is *far* huger than just being the 'enemy', he can also lead people to strengthen their relationship to God, and other people.

I can see, to a certain degree, how Lucifer and Satan may be related, spare later identification with each other. Satan could be the doubt of the path one's on. Lucifer would be taking that doubt into another level, standing behind own opinion no matter how deep sacrifice that requires (Falling).
 

Nightingveil

Nightingveil
As I said, it's the label given by the victor, and it's a semantic one I didn't create.

I believe there is a much larger role here, and it goes back to the concepts of time and space from the period of Zoroastrianism and Mithraism. Because of the limitations on these concepts that existed at the time(s), there had to be a supposed adversary to make up for them. For his own part, however, he had other roles to fulfill that surpassed these preconceived notions of what he ought to do.
 

pjmb

New Member
Where do we make the distinction exacly? Could we compare Satanism and Luciferianism to for instance Catholicism vs. Protestantism? Where do we make the distinction exactly? I know that Lucifer being the chief of all the fallen angels is far more organized and better able to persuade then Satan. Lucifer "became" a fallen angel, because of his rebellion against God. If all the fallen angels combined are collectively called Satan, then Satan probably existed before Lucifer did because Satan just means fallen angels according to catholic encyclopedia and Lucifer became their leader.
 
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Twig pentagram

High Priest
Could we compare Satanism and Luciferianism to for instance Catholicism vs. Protestantism? Where do we make the distinction exacly? Could we compare Satanism and Luciferianism to for instance Catholicism vs. Protestantism? Where do we make the distinction exactly? I know that Lucifer being the chief of all the fallen angels is far more organized and better able to persuade then Satan. Lucifer "became" a fallen angel, because of his rebellion against God. If all the fallen angels combined are collectively called Satan, then Satan probably existed before Lucifer did because Satan just means fallen angels according to catholic encyclopedia and Lucifer became their leader.
Where do sheeple get this stuff from?
 

pjmb

New Member
I've never met a catholic who's an expert on Luciferians or lucifer. If you really want to be enlightened you're going to have to dig alot deeper than that.

I have dug and dug, my impression thusfar? the satanists are like the republicans of the the left hand path and the luciferians are the lib tards, for instance headed by Obama to foist a troyan horse and a sort of high tech genetically manipulated, cyborg and anti-Christ upon the great masses of sheeple.

I'd say digging is a requirement although much of it is visible all around us as we speak. The luciferians are the government of the satanists, the satanists are individuals who are an ancient pagan religion in tune with nature and anarchist the luciferians are a totalitarian cult with a longstanding goal of world domination.

The satanists are worldwide but not mainly focused on connecting to others outside of their own local covens, luciferians are mainly focused on forming a formidable international globalist network

Am I getting close yet?
 
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Twig pentagram

High Priest
I have dug and dug, my impression thusfar? the satanists are like the republicans of the the left hand path and the luciferians are the lib tards, for instance headed by Obama to foist a troyan horse and a sort of high tech genetically manipulated, cyborg and anti-Christ upon the great masses of sheeple.

I'd say digging is a requirement although much of it is visible all around us as we speak. The luciferians are the government of the satanists, the satanists are individuals who are an ancient pagan religion in tune with nature and anarchist the luciferians are a totalitarian cult with a longstanding goal of world domination.

The satanists are worldwide but not mainly focused on connecting to others outside of their own local covens, luciferians are mainly focused on forming a formidable international globalist network

Am I getting close yet?
:biglaugh: You are so far off that it's laughable.
 

Twig pentagram

High Priest
I have dug and dug, my impression thusfar? the satanists are like the republicans of the the left hand path and the luciferians are the lib tards, for instance headed by Obama to foist a troyan horse and a sort of high tech genetically manipulated, cyborg and anti-Christ upon the great masses of sheeple.

I'd say digging is a requirement although much of it is visible all around us as we speak. The luciferians are the government of the satanists, the satanists are individuals who are an ancient pagan religion in tune with nature and anarchist the luciferians are a totalitarian cult with a longstanding goal of world domination.

The satanists are worldwide but not mainly focused on connecting to others outside of their own local covens, luciferians are mainly focused on forming a formidable international globalist network

Am I getting close yet?
"The Luciferians are the goverment of the Satanist" A satanist would really get a kick out of that one.
 
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