One religion, or no religions?

ONEWAY · May 19, 2004

VictorP said:
good point lightkeeper.

yeah, ONEWAY, this is not a place where everyone agrees and is happy. this is a debate forum, and so thats what we're here to do. How bout this: everytime you quote a bible verse, you're imposing your religion on me.

Hello VictorP, and God bless. VictorP, I just wanted to say that no matter what I do or say, I do it not to force, but to be a guidepost to the love of God that is so surpassing none can comprehend. It is to say that God loved us all so much that He came down from Heaven and, as the Passion of the Christ movie gives one an idea of His love, He wants us to know that He loves us. The choice is ours to make though: will we believe and accept that love in our hearts or will we reject it. Friend, God gives us the choice. If you think I am imposing anything on you it is only because I love you and want you to be lead to the truth, not for the sake of argument but for your soul and its eternal destination.

Sincerely,

ONEWAY

God Bless (Romans 10:9-10)

Mr Spinkles · May 19, 2004

ONEWAY, your goal is noble...but this is not the place to gain new converts. Many people from many different religions think that only by choosing THEIR religion can one's "soul" be "saved".

Would you take someone seriously in a debate forum if all they did was quote from the Q'ran and try to convince you that only through Allah and Muhammad can YOUR soul be saved?

Let's have a rational discussion...not a sermon, please.

ONEWAY · May 12, 2004

painted wolf said:
Oneway-
your truth is not my truth. We see the world through different eyes... different cultures. I see animals, plants and everything elce in nature as my brothers and sisters... I can't imagine seeing them diffrently, It frustrates me that others do, but that is the way of the world. To me my religion is truth, to you it isn't.
That is the nature of truth.

besides, look at the world... all things are chaos. What some call murder we call war, what some call shameful we call business as usual.

Hello painted wolf and God bless, thank you for your response. I have a some what short reply, if there is no truth or if you believe truth is different for everyone, why impose your view on me. In fact, why are you even on this website? Also, if truth fluctuates as you say, which you actually assert truth by denying it, is your idea that "your truth is not my truth" or your idea that what is true for one may differ from another, is that true for you or true for me and everyone else? Truth is not contradictory, the Law of non-contradiction proves this. You just proved truth to exist by asserting to truth or a truth, however the question is can you truthfully prove your truth, if not it obviously is not truth. In addition, do not reply to this or you again will be asserting to truth, even though it may not be true.

God Bless (Romans 10:9)

ONEWAY · May 12, 2004

Hello all and God bless. One thing to add, everyone is looking at truth from their own perspective, however God is not hendered in looking at truth, because unlike us He sees and is the truth, hence the Bible is not a perspective of truth, but is the truth since the Bible is the complete written revelation from God, who sees and is the truth.

God bless (Romans 10:9)

painted wolf · May 12, 2004

oneway-
Hello... no problem I like answering questions. :mrgreen:

I do not seek to impose my truth on anyone... I will discuss my beliefs and my views and how I reached them... but to impose my truths would be to try to make you make them your truths...

if you ask a question I will answer to the best of my ablility...

if your truth is Jesus then so be it... my truth is not... my truth is the truth of my ancestors and the lessions I have learned in my life.

In the end your truth is yours and mine is mine... we can share but we cant enforce.

wa:-do

Lightkeeper · May 12, 2004

ONEWAY said:
painted wolf said:

Oneway-
your truth is not my truth. We see the world through different eyes... different cultures. I see animals, plants and everything elce in nature as my brothers and sisters... I can't imagine seeing them diffrently, It frustrates me that others do, but that is the way of the world. To me my religion is truth, to you it isn't.
That is the nature of truth.

besides, look at the world... all things are chaos. What some call murder we call war, what some call shameful we call business as usual.

Click to expand...

Hello painted wolf and God bless, thank you for your response. I have a some what short reply, if there is no truth or if you believe truth is different for everyone, why impose your view on me. In fact, why are you even on this website? Also, if truth fluctuates as you say, which you actually assert truth by denying it, is your idea that "your truth is not my truth" or your idea that what is true for one may differ from another, is that true for you or true for me and everyone else? Truth is not contradictory, the Law of non-contradiction proves this. You just proved truth to exist by asserting to truth or a truth, however the question is can you truthfully prove your truth, if not it obviously is not truth. In addition, do not reply to this or you again will be asserting to truth, even though it may not be true.

God Bless (Romans 10:9)

We could ask you the same questions, since you seem to think there is one way.

painted wolf · May 20, 2004

you heard ONEWAY...

convert or burn in hell...
god only really loves christians anyway...

no pressure though...

wa:-do

VictorP · May 18, 2004

good point lightkeeper.

yeah, ONEWAY, this is not a place where everyone agrees and is happy. this is a debate forum, and so thats what we're here to do. How bout this: everytime you quote a bible verse, you're imposing your religion on me.

Ceridwen018 · May 24, 2004

Hi ONEWAY, how's it going?

Hello all and God bless. One thing to add, everyone is looking at truth from their own perspective, however God is not hendered in looking at truth, because unlike us He sees and is the truth, hence the Bible is not a perspective of truth, but is the truth since the Bible is the complete written revelation from God, who sees and is the truth.

I have a little problem with this, being that it seems to be based entirely on assumption. 1) you are assuming god is truth 2) you are assuming the bible was written by god. My definition of assumption, is an inference based on feelings, rather than evidence. If you could provide me with evidence for these assumptions, you will have succeeded where many, many people have failed in these forums!

Thank you!

Mr Spinkles · May 18, 2004

Even if there is such a thing as unchanging, all-encompassing truth, it doesn't mean that yours is the correct one, ONEWAY. Maybe you're wrong, and painted wolf's truth is the "real" truth. Or maybe you're both wrong, and the actual truth is something different from what either of you perceive it to be.

To begin, either all religions are wrong or one is right.

Or some of them could be right about some things, and wrong about others. Many religions agree on certain things, so no one religion has to be completely right or wrong, it could be a mix.

ONEWAY · May 19, 2004

VictorP said:
good point lightkeeper.

yeah, ONEWAY, this is not a place where everyone agrees and is happy. this is a debate forum, and so thats what we're here to do. How bout this: everytime you quote a bible verse, you're imposing your religion on me.

Hello VictorP, and God bless. VictorP, I just wanted to say that no matter what I do or say, I do it not to force, but to be a guidepost to the love of God that is so surpassing none can comprehend. It is to say that God loved us all so much that He came down from Heaven and, as the Passion of the Christ movie gives one an idea of His love, He wants us to know that He loves us. The choice is ours to make though: will we believe and accept that love in our hearts or will we reject it. Friend, God gives us the choice. If you think I am imposing anything on you it is only because I love you and want you to be lead to the truth, not for the sake of argument but for your soul and its eternal destination.

Sincerely,

ONEWAY

God Bless (Romans 10:9-10)

Mr Spinkles · May 19, 2004

ONEWAY, your goal is noble...but this is not the place to gain new converts. Many people from many different religions think that only by choosing THEIR religion can one's "soul" be "saved".

Would you take someone seriously in a debate forum if all they did was quote from the Q'ran and try to convince you that only through Allah and Muhammad can YOUR soul be saved?

Let's have a rational discussion...not a sermon, please.

Pah · Jun 3, 2004

Maize has opened up mathematics to the arival at truth.

As for 2+2=4. you are correct, of course. But I think you're forgetting that this is not the only calculation that will give the number 4. For example,
1+3=4
0+4=4
5-1=4
1.5+2.5=4

Perhaps we could see other differences. If you take the same "facts" (2+2) you would arrive at 11 as an answer in the tertuary system (having only the numbers 0,1,2) and 10 in the quarternary system (having the numbers 0,1,2,3). Not only do different facts lead to the same answer of truth (as Maize pointed out) but the same premises can lead to a other truths in other systems of thought.

someone · Jun 5, 2004

What a nice mind work here...

BUT, 2 + 2 = 4 is not the complete view to judg it.
If I say (2+2=4 using tertuary system), I can say this is wrong.
(2+2=4 in Decimal system) is only true in decimal system.
But it is not the only truth. since 1 + 3 is also 4.
but this is a different truth.
(1+1=2 in decimal) is a truth
and (2+3=5 in decimal) is another truth.

BUT (1+2=4 in decimal) is wrong.
(1+1=5 in decimal) is another wrong.

SO the only truth for (2+2 in decimal) is (4). and there is no (2+2 in decimal) can't be other that (4).

(except if you find another parameter to change in the situation, which makes it another situation with different truth and worng).

did I tell the truth?

someone · Jun 5, 2004

BUT in religions,

you can't say that 2+2 as one religion will endup to be 4 and 1+3 as the other religion will also endup to the same end. But (2+2 in an A system) will endup to an A result. (2+2 in a B system) with endup to another result(B).

If someone steal, one religion says cut his hand, the other say no just prison. Then what should I do. If all is truth, then should I cut or just put in prison?

A religion says Jesus is the son of God, the other says no he is a God, the other says no he is a prohpet??? how can all be truth. Jesus has to be one of them or something other than all these posibilities. he can't be all??

what is the truth??

ONEWAY · Jun 7, 2004

Hey Friend Ceridwen018 again and God bless. I just want to say I left a comment on "Is the Bible Reliable" topic, and my feelings are a definite basis for talking to you. You see, the fact that one comes to the living God who loves me and died on the cross for me, is absolutely heart wrenching. I was living a lost life, then God came into my life showing me that life is only the dot, eternity is the line. It is my heart's desire now, that you would see that He loves you and gave Himself for you, and it makes an eternal difference that you choose. My telling you is only a fact that I care. For example, if you had cancer and I knew the cure, would you want it, would you want to be healed? Except, this cure will be much more than a physical cure for cancer, it will be a everlasting cure for the heart and for eternity. I tell you from my own investigation, and from having seen the facts, please hear the Lord God speaking to your heart.

Sincerely in love,

ONEWAY and God Bless (Romans 10:9-10)[/quote]

someone · Jun 7, 2004

ONEWAY, with all my respect to your belife, BUT how can we know that Jesus Christ Died on the cross for us is truth. I think jumping into sympathic of the story is not right if the story is not true.

But if we convinced that it is the truth, then it will be ok to say what you are saying.

God Bless you and LOVE

someone · Jun 8, 2004

But please

I want to know, Did I tell the truth about the truth story?

Was that right, or still you think all are right?

if it is the truth, then which of the religions is the truth and why?

Ardhanariswar · Jun 8, 2004

all religions (at least most) help the individual to inspire them on a search for Truth. The truth is not written in one religion so blatant. the truth is for the individual to discover on his/her own.

my religion believes that most of all religions are different paths to the same God/Salvation/Eternal Bliss and Fuzziness (and thats a technical term).

no religion is the ONE. its impossible. relgion's sole purpose is to serve man. his role is to serve God. voila.

someone · Jun 9, 2004

But, what if two religions are contradicting. Example, Christianity says that you have to belive that Jesus Christ died on the cross to save us and he is the son of God. But Islam says Jesus is a messenger from God and he is not the son of God."He begets not, nor was He begotten"(Quran112-3). Then how come both will lead me to the truth.

And how did you come to the fact that the truth is for the individual to discover on his/her own?

And if your religion says something, My religion says something else.

why it is imposible to be only one religion?

And how can I know that relgion's sole purpose is to serve man?

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