Isn't the government composed of the people?
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Does the State have the right over your body?
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Blindinglight
Disciple of Chaos
With the drugs, it depends. Some drugs such as amphetamines, that can turn you very violent, should continue to remain illegal. Other drugs, such as marijuana, exstacy, LSD, shrooms, and other drugs that do not have a potentially violent high, should all be legal.
As far as birth and pulling the plug, neither the state or federal should have a say-so.
As far as birth and pulling the plug, neither the state or federal should have a say-so.
Yes, and when it's spending the people's money, it has the responsibility to spend it responsibly. That means that the government will have to make decisions on what treatments you can have performed on your body if taxpayer money is being spent on the procedure. The insurance companies make the decisions now. The government will make the decisions if we move to socialized medicine.
But isn't it then the people who have the responsibility to spend the people's money responsibly? That means the people will have to make decisions on what treatments will have to be performed on their bodies if taxpayer money is being spent on the procedure, insurance companies be damned.
Oh wait. We live in different countries. Nevermind.
Oh wait. We live in different countries. Nevermind.
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
Nope. It is composed of representatives of the people.
Anyhow, the state does have a right to ban or limit consumption of substances providing that it is a genuine threat to public safety. The only major problem with this is people will abuse such a system and ban things which annoy them, which has happened to smoking.
The state has no right to say you have do give birth to a child, and how exactly, if you are in a coma, can you pull your own plug?
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
:sarcastic
Bridges that people use collapsing is certainly new to me.
Booko
Deviled Hen
An oligarchy suffering under the pretense of a democratic form of gov't isn't composed of the people, no.
Booko
Deviled Hen
A week ago a major bridge in Minnesota collapsed, which is what Jonny is referring to.
OTOH, the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" which will cost millions, will serve exactly 50 people who live on a remote island off the Alaskan coast.
I gather Jonny doesn't think much of the spending priorities.
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
So that one bridge will collapse means that "bridges people use on a daily basis" are collapsing? Sounds like a ridiculous amount of spin off of a single event. I know about the Bridge to Nowhere, and it is a stupid idea, but there is no need to take such an alarmist view about a bridge falling down.
Also, how exactly the US an oligarchy? The only way I see that idea working is if you consider the Democrats and the GOP dual rulers.
spacemonkey
Pneumatic Spiritualist
Have you ever tried any of these substances? If not, then that is why you can't see how those other substances can used without endangering others. Its hard to see past or own expieriances.
Sigmund Freud did cocaine, was he a danger to others (except for mothers eveywhere who would now shoulder the blame). Ben Franklin used opium and cannabis, where did it get him...on the $100 bill. Some of the best music of the last 100 years was written under the influance of SOMETHING, usally heroin. Telling people they can't use something because something bad MAY happen is just ludicrous. How would you feel if the government told women they can't go outside by themselves at night because they MIGHT get raped.
spacemonkey
Pneumatic Spiritualist
Aqualung
Tasty
The second two affect others around me (specifically, that person to whom I don't give birth and that person whose plug I pull), so they can't at all be a part of the actual question at hand.
If we have government run health care, the state will try to control your body. I was just speaking with a girl from England last night who was complaining about the ordeal she went through with her wisdom teeth recently. She said that doctors talked her out of getting them removed before they became a problem and blamed it on the fact that the government pays for the proceedure so they talk people out of getting it done to save money.
Well, ones body is the only thing in life that one is certain to own and possess from the day one is born to the day one dies. If the person who owns the body (the soul occupying it) doesn't have the final say on what is done with it, what use are rights of any kind? Might as well throw the lot out and have sweeeet Anarchy! 
I think i should have the right to decide if my plug should be pulled, DNR etc.
I would like more rights with abortion eg. be able to abort at a later stage.
I expect substance consumation laws if it effects other people such as drink driving prohibition. But i think this is the hardest one because the government will not ban things that bring in money eg and outright ban on smoking and alcohol. And if you look back to when government has made alcohol consumption illegal in the past it just didn't work.
I would like more rights with abortion eg. be able to abort at a later stage.
I expect substance consumation laws if it effects other people such as drink driving prohibition. But i think this is the hardest one because the government will not ban things that bring in money eg and outright ban on smoking and alcohol. And if you look back to when government has made alcohol consumption illegal in the past it just didn't work.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
The state has power over one's body both through psycho-social control of thought and identity and, through its psycho-social control of others' thoughts and identity, the ability to exert power through coercive and violent physical force.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No, not under any circumstances.