The Rapture a Glorious Event

Luke 12

37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch (coming), or come in the third watch (coming), and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh in an hour when ye think not.

Again there is a fourth coming, which is with the saints who were a part of these two resurrections/comings/raptures, at which time Christ will cleanse the earth of all iniquity and renew it with his great power..

This is the "fourth watch" (coming) when we will descend with Christ and be a part of this newly renewed earth...

Matthew 14: 25
And in the fourth watch (coming) of the night Jesus went unto them, walking (trampling wine press) on the sea (multitude of nations/humanity).

Mark 6: 48
And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch (coming) of the night he cometh unto them, walking (trampling the wine press) upon the sea (multitude of nations/humanity), and would have passed by them.

This speaks of judgement of those who were not part of the first morning and afternoon of the first resurrection, who will not reign with Christ for a thousand years on earth..

These are multitudes/the majority of people living on the earth, represented by the sea, which covers most of the earth...

Another top rated singer hints of a rapture, in this song, for sure....

"I pray you'll come and carry me home"
Mariah Carey ~ Fly like a Bird

1 Thessalonians 4: 17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
"With God's love you'll survive"
Mariah Carey ~ Fly L:ke a Bird

Mariah Carey - Fly Like A Bird


Mariah Carey - Fly Like a Bird

FFH said:

Prophecy is subtle and hardly noticeable, that's why it seems laughable to those who have not studied the entire events surrounding the end times..

Revelation is revealed in subtle, yet noticeable events.

The prophecies of Revelation have been occuring almost unnoticably and will continue until the end, almost unnoticed by most..

Many of the events of Revelation and the other scritpures have been fulfilled and many are yet to come..

We are seeing Revelation fulfilled right before us and most are dismissing it as just another day in the life of this earth's existence.

Nothing in this life is random or chaotic, but it has all been designed to bring about salvation to as many of God's children as possible.

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You are telling me that Revelation is so subtle, but did you ever stop to think that maybe, because of this subtlety, you can mold the prophecies to just about any time period. People like Ysrayl Hawkins are so sure what is going to happen in the future, yet he has never been right. Why should I believe your special insight over all the others who have come before you and failed? And why should I believe Revelations is anything more than a hallucinary acid-trip?

FFH said:

We won't be there", but will be in the heavens with Christ...

Come join us..

"This battle occurs between a remnant of Christ's left on earth (that being the Jews and other Chirstian who were not Christ's at his first coming) and the world.

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Pity, I was hoping to get a shot at you guys. I will have to settle for the second wave. This is all purely hypothetical (as I am an Atheist), but if the Bible is the Word of God, I think it is highly possible that Satan is on the side of Good. Since God is demonstratebly evil in the Bible I can conclude that His Adversary can't be that bad. If Satan is an evil god, like the Big G, then we are royally screwed and the Humanists will have to form their own army in the Last Days.

Has anyone studied "Charting the End Times" by Tim Lahaye and Thomas Ice or Lahaye's, "Revelation Unveiled"? Hal Lindsey did an excellent job showing the Rapture is real and is pre-trib and went into great detail concerning all the different views and the verses used to support them and show their faults in "Vanished into Thin Air".

joeboonda said:

Has anyone studied "Charting the End Times" by Tim Lahaye and Thomas Ice or Lahaye's, "Revelation Unveiled"? Hal Lindsey did an excellent job showing the Rapture is real and is pre-trib and went into great detail concerning all the different views and the verses used to support them and show their faults in "Vanished into Thin Air".

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Have listened to Hal Lindsey before on TBN - Trinity Broadcasting Network. He is pretty much retired now, it seems.

As for Tim Lahaye, have seen and heard him mentioned often in regards to rapture theories, but really am not familiar with him or his teachings/theories at all.. Don't know who Thomas Ice is, never heard of him..

I subscribe to my own theories, mixed with various info I have gathered on this subject..

Darkness said:

You are telling me that Revelation is so subtle, but did you ever stop to think that maybe, because of this subtlety, you can mold the prophecies to just about any time period.

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True, many prophecies seem to have two or more fulfillments througout history..

People like Ysrayl Hawkins are so sure what is going to happen in the future, yet he has never been right. Why should I believe your special insight over all the others who have come before you and failed?

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I am LDS and have the gift of the Holy Ghost and an insight into this that is unique to my faith, mixed with Evangelical thoughts on this matter and scriptures of course, the most important source for info on this matter, especially Daniel and Revelation..

And why should I believe Revelations is anything more than a hallucinary acid-trip?

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Because it will affect you in ways you can not even imagine now..

Revelations concerning this will come to pass sooner or later and one might find themselves in circumstances not previously thought possible..

The rug will be pulled out from under humanity in a very very short time. I feel that very very strongly...

I just pray it doesnt' happen to me or anyone else reading this..

God is a strong and powerful God and can do anything. Don't be surprised if things/this world collapses financially and physically and the world you thought was going to be here for ever is forever changed and renewed..
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"Behold all things have passed away and all things have become new".

This scripture will surely be fulfilled in the near future..

I have had too many things testify to me that this is the case. We are that generation who will see this come to pass. Be ready, watch and pray for Chirst's coming...

Pity, I was hoping to get a shot at you guys.

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Yeah, we will be gone...

I will have to settle for the second wave.

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They will be a part of the final wars I would assume, in an organized military effort of course. All is fair in love and war...better to love your enemies, but if they are bent on killing you it's better to defend your life or be willing to sacrifice it for sure, as Jesus did, at the hands of the world if one is not prepared or willing or believes in defend his/her life...

This is all purely hypothetical (as I am an Atheist), but if the Bible is the Word of God, I think it is highly possible that Satan is on the side of Good. Since God is demonstratebly evil in the Bible I can conclude that His Adversary can't be that bad. If Satan is an evil god, like the Big G, then we are royally screwed and the Humanists will have to form their own army in the Last Days

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Careful, calling good evil and evil good will get you in trouble in the end...

God is a good God and will eradicate evil when it is in it's ripest stages and there's nothing more he can do to change things...

People will be bent on doing evil in the last days and there will be nothing God or anyone else can do to change their minds. If evil is allowed to prosper then all the good in this world will be shut down and this earth will die having no life in or on it...

God will allow men to become extremely evil before he destroys it and renews it again..

Don't find yourself in that situation. Rmember God is a strong God and no one can fight him, no one.. He is all powerful and all knowing and contols the very rotations of the earth and the angle of it's axis and can change that angle and the speed of the rotation and can cause havoc in a second...as can he do with the sun, moon, stars and other planets.

The very earth you stand on is hung on nothing in space and God can move or destroy it in a second..

We shouldn't bite the hand that literally feeds and lends us our breath daily...

We are nothing but dust on this planet...

Likewise, before I said, the Rapture WAS a glorious thing, too bad y'all missed it.

Regards,
Scott

Popeyesays said:

Likewise, before I said, the Rapture WAS a glorious thing, too bad y'all missed it.

Regards,
Scott

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It's not a spiritual event, but an actual physical one, according to the New Testament.

"...and those who remain will meet him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord"

This cannot be construed as a spiritual event.. How can so many of my LDS brothers and sisters and other friends on the forum think otherwise.

I guess it all depends on what you're reading and who you choose to believe, inspired scriptures or the uninspired words and opinions of men.

I guess Baha'i scripture states otherwise as well as many other LDS authors..

Scriptures are my direct source for correct details concerning this event...

FFH said:

It's not a spiritual event, but an actual physical one, according to the New Testament.

"...and those who remain will meet him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord"

This cannot be construed as a spiritual event.. How can so many of my LDS brothers and sisters and other friends on the forum think otherwise.

I guess it all depends on what you're reading and who you choose to believe, inspired scriptures or the uninspired words and opinions of men.

I guess Baha'i scripture states otherwise as well as many other LDS authors..

Scriptures are my direct source for correct details concerning this event...

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The line that I put in bold, is that in the Book of Mormon or is it also in other versions of the Bible. Because there's so many versions and they word things differently in them it might not say it like that in one of them.

Azakel said:

The line that I put in bold, is that in the Book of Mormon or is it also in other versions of the Bible. Because there's so many versions and they word things differently in them it might not say it like that in one of them.

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1 Thessalonians 4: 17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Here is Moroni speaking of this same event.

Moroni 10: 34 (Book of Mormon)
And now I bid unto all, farewell. I soon go to rest in the paradise of God, until my spirit and body shall again reunite, and I am brought forth triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar of the great Jehovah, the Eternal judge of both quick and dead. Amen.


Have mercy on us all Lord...

The Biblical exegesis for the "Rapture" is so weak it cannot stand on its own. The Moroni verse is no better.

As to a baha`i exegesis of Baha`i scriptures, the matter is clear:
"Verily, He Who was hidden in the knowledge of God and is mentioned in the Holy Scriptures hath appeared. Say, this is the Day when the Speaker on Sinai hath mounted the throne of Revelation and the people have stood before the Lord of the worlds. This is the Day wherein the earth hath told out her tidings and hath laid bare her treasures; when the oceans have brought forth their pearls and the divine Lote-Tree its fruit; when the Sun hath shed its radiance and the Moons have diffused their lights, and the Heavens have revealed their stars, and the Hour its signs, and the Resurrection its dreadful majesty; when the pens have unloosed their outpourings and the spirits have laid bare their mysteries. Blessed is the man who recognizeth Him and attaineth His presence, and woe betide such as deny Him 108 and turn aside from Him. I beseech God to aid His servants to return unto Him. Verily He is the Pardoner, the Forgiving, the Merciful."
(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 107)


Regards,
Scott

FFH said:

King James Version of Matthew 24: 41
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Joseph Smith Restored Version of Mathew 24: 41
Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;


DC Talk - I Wish We'd All Been Ready [Live]

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The Rapture is part of overcoming the world. Only those who fulfill the first and

greatest commandment shall go on to experience the Rapture.


I cant prove it to you, but its true never the less. You could of course could do all

the necessary work of purifying yourself and prove it for yourself. I might just add that the being taken

out of the world is only for a few short minutes, its not permanent. That doesnt come until the ascension.





peace

beckysoup61 said:

Note: LDS theology does not support the fundamentalist Christian Rapture view; and there is no doctrine in LDS theology that supports a "rapture" other then a scant verse in the Bible which could be interpreted several different ways. Just needed to point that out.

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Don't tell me this is not LDS doctrine....


1 Thessalonians 4:17 (King James)
Thenwe which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4: 17 (Joseph Smith Translation)
Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15: 51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Doctrine and Covenants 88: 96
And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

Doctrine and Covenants 101: 31
And when he dies he shall not sleep, that is to say in the earth, but shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up, and his rest shall be glorious.

Doctrine and Covenants 109: 75
That when the trump shall sound for the dead, we shall be caught up in the cloud to meet thee, that we may ever be with the Lord;

The phrase "caught up in the clouds" does not mean Tim Lehaye's version of the "Rapture". The RAPTURE is all puffery, no scriptural substance.

Regards,
Scott

Popeyesays said:

The phrase "caught up in the clouds" does not mean Tim Lehaye's version of the "Rapture". The RAPTURE is all puffery, no scriptural substance.

Regards,
Scott

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The rapture doctrine is based on the same scriptures I have posted in this thread..

Forget Tim Lehaye's theories, I don't even know what he teaches or if it's even correct/Biblical...

The rapture is when we meet the Lord "in the air" at his next appear/coming....nothing complcated about that, just a term a lady used to describe this event, that's all...

It's easier than saying "first resurrection" every time.

Maybe I'll just say "first res", like Nutshell did from now on, but that would confuse anyone not familiar with this subject also...

The "catching away" of the saints, is another phrase used. This teaching is found in the New Testament as well as LDS scripture..

People just aren't reading their scriptures and searching this out enough.

LDS posters expain this please...

These are Christ's words..

Clearly this is the "catching away" of the saints or what many call the "rapture" of the saints of God during the first resurrection, both the morning and the afternoon of the first resurrection or first and second "catching away" or "rapture".

See this link: Joseph Smith—Matthew 1

Mathew 24 (Joseph Smith Inspired version)
44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the last days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; watch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

FFH,

It doesn't mean they will be lifted bodily into the clouds leaving little piles of false teeth and underwear.

It's a perfect example of what happened in persia between 1844 and 1850, but in a spiritual sense, not a physical one. Though I would point out that as many as 20,000 Babi's were snatched bodily away by the government and killed in 1852.

Regards,
Scott

FFH

You have your interpretation. We have ours.

What makes yours more valid?

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FFH

You have your interpretation. We have ours.

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So far I haven't heard any interpretation from any of you.

Every time I bring this up, in whatever setting, I only get blank stairs or opposing opinions...

No one really seems to have an opinion, just that there isn't a "rapture" or a "catching away" of the saints at the first resurrection, which Christ has clearly illustrated that there will be..

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...

How can you misinterprete Matthew 24, which I just posted and even post the Joseph Smith Inspired version, which echos the King James nearly identically..with a few added passages and corrections here and there to futher illustrate the conditions and events of the end times.

Nutshell said:

What makes yours more valid?

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Christ said it, therefore it's valid. It's plainly written in scripture, no interpretation necessary as with most scripture...

Man makes up his own interpretation to suit his beliefs..

FFH said:

So far I haven't heard any interpretation from any of you.

Every time I bring this up, in whatever setting, I only get blank stairs or opposing opinions...

No one really seems to have an opinion, just that there isn't a "rapture" or a "catching away" of the saints at the first resurrection, which Christ has clearly illustrated that there will be..

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...

How can you misinterprete Matthew 24, which I just posted and even post the Joseph Smith Inspired version, which echos the King James nearly identically..with a few added passages and corrections here and there to futher illustrate the conditions and events of the end times.

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Obviously there are other interpretations. Otherwise, people wouldn't be disagreeing iwth you. Besides, the issue isn't whether there are other interpretation - the issue is what makes you think yours is more valid than others. You've failed to address that issue.