The world can not be one until all are muslim

One day while passing a mesjid in Indonesia, I overheard this Imam preaching "how the world will never be one until all are muslim". It hearing this statement I ask many muslims and reasearched the holy book for proof of this. As a muslim, you are commanded under the writtings of the koran it to be your sacred duty to dispose of the infidels (non-believers) and all are muslim.

It saddens me to believe why Muhammad and muslim feel as though it is their duty to make the world all muslim and those who are not should be disposed of? Keeping this in mind and how throughout the koran it speeks of other reloigions only shows why we see what we see in the world today. Yet muslim always say we must respect others beliefe, when it is written that a muslim must spreed islam and dispose of the infidels.

How can Islam justify holy war, where in gods eye war of any kind is condemed and an act of evil? I never once throughout the koran seen any mention about love, forgiveness, and harmony. As for peace, they say islam stands for peace, yet islam stands for submission. If one refers to the dictionary, submission is the opersite of peace.

The story of Mary giving birth to Jesus was in fact the story of the birth of Buddha.. How can a messanger of god there for change a recorded story older then islam from being born in a barn to being born beside a palm tree to which his mother holds onto?

This is some of many questions that plague me when I research the koran, but based on what I see written within, I can only understand why we have the problems we see now. Is it in fact the hidden agenda of islam that the world must all become muslim? Where is the respect in others faith that muslims always preach? Why then if Islam is a pure religion does it need to condem other religions within it's koran?

I open the stage to my fellow forum readers for their input.

Kindest Regards

How can the world be one, when there are so many sects of Islam? They don't agree among themselves.

I don't recall Buddha having a virgin birth.

student_of_god said:

One day while passing a mesjid in Indonesia, I overheard this Imam preaching "how the world will never be one until all are muslim". It hearing this statement I ask many muslims and reasearched the holy book for proof of this. As a muslim, you are commanded under the writtings of the koran it to be your sacred duty to dispose of the infidels (non-believers) and all are muslim.

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Well, you have heared from one of the muslims that statement. But is it right?
And when you want to argue a man, talk to that man. But when you argue a concept make sure you know what you say!

Read about the main concept of islam in (What do Muslims believe?) things that I wrote.

Muslims have a duty to spread Islam, but those who don't want it they should be dealed with normally and in a peace manner. Allah said[60-8] : "Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity."

But those who fight muslims and stop in their way of spreading Islam, Allah said about them(60-9): "It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allâh)."

student_of_god said:

It saddens me to believe why Muhammad and muslim feel as though it is their duty to make the world all muslim and those who are not should be disposed of? Keeping this in mind and how throughout the koran it speeks of other reloigions only shows why we see what we see in the world today. Yet muslim always say we must respect others beliefe, when it is written that a muslim must spreed islam and dispose of the infidels.

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Again, spreading Islam doesn't mean "dispose of the infidels". And if I belive that the ball is red, I will (logically) say that whoever say that it is blue he is false, again with respect.

student_of_god said:

How can Islam justify holy war,

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Who said that? And what do you mean by holy war?. Jihad in islam have a big topic and alot of books on it.

student_of_god said:

where in gods eye war of any kind is condemed and an act of evil?

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Is this in Islam or in your belief or what?

student_of_god said:

I never once throughout the koran seen any mention about love, forgiveness, and harmony. As for peace, they say islam stands for peace, yet islam stands for submission. If one refers to the dictionary, submission is the opersite of peace.

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Did you just scan or have a deep read? either are wrong in understanding Islam. People are spending years to have a full understading of Quran, and still they need to understand Sunnah to have whole view of Islam. PLEASE ASK IF YOU DON'T KNOW, but don't say there is nothing there???

student_of_god said:

The story of Mary giving birth to Jesus was in fact the story of the birth of Buddha..

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"in fact", which fact, who says facts? Muslim belife that Quran says facts, and you belife something else, so you will not agree that the book is right.

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How can a messanger of god there for change a recorded story older then islam from being born in a barn to being born beside a palm tree to which his mother holds onto?

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Again, who says that islam come with Mohammad only. If you read carfully, you will notice that Islam is the relegion of all prophets(according to Islam). So, he didn't change, he was told the right story.(also according to Islam).

student_of_god said:

This is some of many questions that plague me when I research the koran, but based on what I see written within, I can only understand why we have the problems we see now. Is it in fact the hidden agenda of islam that the world must all become muslim? Where is the respect in others faith that muslims always preach? Why then if Islam is a pure religion does it need to condem other religions within it's koran?

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If you don't understand, then ask, and don't understand it your way. Because there is a whole BS degree major study in universities about Tafseer(Understanding of Quran). And there is nothing called hidden agenda in Islam.

student_of_god said:

I open the stage to my fellow forum readers for their input.

Kindest Regards

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Thanks alot, and I will also be happy to help in understanding Islam. And I hope I find the truth any where from any body. and I hope you do so also.

Lightkeeper said:

How can the world be one, when there are so many sects of Islam? They don't agree among themselves.

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I think using the word "them" for different belifes (although the same name) is not right. And thoes differents sects can't agree amongh themselves, because the are differents.

But remember that, one of them is right. And who want to look for the truth will find it using his mind and right data.

Lightkeeper,

You're right, as usual. The mothers of the Buddha and of the founder of Jainism, Mahavira, both had annunciation dreams. The Buddha was born exiting through his mother's side; Mahavia was born "painlessly". It is interesting that Christianity regards the conception as an ugly and messy thing and needs the dogma of immaculate conception, while Asiatic religions have a more natural view of the process. They, on the other side, regard births as messy and rather unclean, and many holy persons are born in a supernatural and "clean" way.

The Acts of the Buddha (Buddhacarita) says of the Buddha's mother that "without defilement she received the fruit of the womb." There is, in my opinion, no reason to interpret that passage as suggesting a non-natural process, but only a moral correctness.

student_of_god said:

One day while passing a mesjid in Indonesia, I overheard this Imam preaching "how the world will never be one until all are muslim". It hearing this statement I ask many muslims and reasearched the holy book for proof of this.

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What a load of typical christian missionary nonesense !

As a muslim, you are commanded under the writtings of the koran it to be your sacred duty to dispose of the infidels (non-believers) and all are muslim.

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I am a muslim, can you please show me where the quran commanded me to convert all infidels ???

It saddens me to believe why Muhammad and muslim feel as though it is their duty to make the world all muslim and those who are not should be disposed of? Keeping this in mind and how throughout the koran it speeks of other reloigions only shows why we see what we see in the world today. Yet muslim always say we must respect others beliefe, when it is written that a muslim must spreed islam and dispose of the infidels.

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Again, SHOW US WHERE IT IS IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAN THAT A MUSLIM MUST SPREAD ISLAM BY SWORD AND FORCE OTHERS TO CONVERT ???

How can Islam justify holy war, where in gods eye war of any kind is condemed and an act of evil?

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The same of how can christianity justify CRUSADE ?

I never once throughout the koran seen any mention about love, forgiveness, and harmony.

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Because you are christian missionary liar, the word forgiveness mentiond 102 TIMES in the noble quran.

As for peace, they say islam stands for peace, yet islam stands for submission. If one refers to the dictionary, submission is the opersite of peace.

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Islam means peace, this is how the arabic word islam can be translated unless of course you want to teach me my own mother langauge !

The story of Mary giving birth to Jesus was in fact the story of the birth of Buddha..

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This is HILLARIOUS !! :lol:

As to the rest of your post, it is not worth even to reply.

Student,

What kind of interpretation of the Qur'an have you read? Please tell me! Your conclusions don't match my impression of what is in the Qur'an. Picking out only a few isolated words does not say anything about the message of the book. Shield corrected you on the occurrence of forgiveness; I could add that the word love and derivatives of it occur enough times to disprove your statement. In addition, there are verses like "Those who act kindly in this worls will have kindness" (39.10), "God enjoins justice, kindness and charity to one's kindred, and forbids indecency, abomination and oppression" (16.90). It is not difficult to find other similar quotes in the Qur'an and in the traditions (ahadith).

The spreading of Islam and the treatment of other believers has been discussed at lenght in other topics. The summary is that Islam always has been more tolerant and practised peaceful coexistence more than Christianity. A very basic verse is "There is no compulsion in religion" (2.256).

I don't understand what you mean by "The story of Mary giving birth to Jesus was in fact the story of the birth of Buddha.. How can a messanger of god there for change a recorded story older then islam from being born in a barn to being born beside a palm tree to which his mother holds onto?" It seems to me that you think that Islam changed the Christian birth story to that of the Buddha. But no interpretation matches obvious facts. The Buddha was first by several hundred years, but his story has in all probabilty not influenced the Christian story. I have checked 26 verses in the Qur'an where Jesus is mentioned. None of them refer to where or how his birth occurred, so the Christian story was neither changed nor corrected.

Even if you would like to interpret the noun "islam" as "submission", there is nothing extraordinay in submitting to your God. The opposite of this would be that you made your God submit to you...

Midnight is approaching, so I am now clicking on Submit.

Sorry I have not been around for a while, been quite busy with work. I will try to answer your questions based on the last posting, which is along the same line as other readers....

Maybe I have a bad version of the koran. When it talks about forgiveness in the koran, every entry is about god's forgiveness in you. What about your forgiveness in your fellow man? To simply state that once a year (namely fasting month) is a time to forgive all and forget????? so strange when in most other religions forgiveness in your fellow man, regardles is considered to be important everyday of the year, not just in one time of the year.

In the version of the Koran I have, it referes to how a palm tree or something along those lines arched over while mary held onto it to give birth to Jesus (if I had my koran here I would quote the numbers), but I am at work. This is the exact some story I learnt from a buddust monk I lived with about the birth of buddha while his mother was in travel.

By the way, I am not a monothest shield of god...... So, if islam was not spreed by the sword of islam where there is so much written about it in books, online, and even in the islamic holybook......

Christians love to forget about the crusades, how many civilisations and people where killed due to narrow mindness in the name of god? what god? satan? So with this in mind why the sword of islam and jihard? Is this in relitive terms the same?

As for the quote I made about "the world cannot be one until all are muslim", I can't help the stuff people say over their loud speakers at a misjid.... Indonesia is known for its rise in fundlementalist muslims....

The term Islam is not the word for peace, but submission. Source www.submission.org thats where I read it from.

Anyway, like you guys I am tired and we must conclude I either have a crappy version of the koran, my sources are wrong (even though there are so many the same on the net)..... I have found that most male muslims are very narrow foccused and hate accepting anyone who challanges their beliefs, yet they expect others (non-muslims) to be challanged by them.....

Bye and goodnite
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Student,

You ask about forgiveness in the Qur'an. Generally, the Qur'an exalts forgiveness as the way in which the best of people respond to being wronged. In the tradition, Muhammed (phuh) consistently praises those who would forgive rather than take revenge. Direct quotations from the Qur'an are 42:40 "... but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah ..." and 64:14 "... if ye forgive and overlook, and cover up (their faults), verily Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful."

When you get at you Qur'an, please tell us surah and ayah where a palm tree in connection with Jesus' birth is mentioned. As I told you before, it isn't mentioned in those passages where Jesus' name is mentioned.

I may have found what you refer to. In 19:23-25 it seems clear to me that after having given birth, Mary was told to shake the palm tree in order to get some food to strengthen her after the process. The difference to queen Mara's holding on to a branch during delivery is evident. Any way, I think the details are not very important to either religion.

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well ask your questions. u dont have to ask if u can ask

The world cannot be one until spirituality completely replaces the corruption of religion.