• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Why does god discriminate against amputees?

Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
porkchop said:
I believe man was responsible for this, not God.
Click to expand...

I disagree with your reasoning, but I will consent that it is debatable.


This on the other hand is an act of God.

At least 1,836 people lost their lives in Hurricane Katrina and in the subsequent floods.
Click to expand...

and this is also an act of God

Omayra Sánchez was a 13-year old victim of the Nevado del Ruiz volcano which erupted on November 13, 1985 in Armero, Colombia, causing massive lahars which killed nearly 25,000. She was trapped for 3 days in water, concrete, and other debris before she died.

Omayra was trapped up to her neck in water, concrete, and other debris for three days before she succumbed to gangrene and hypothermia. During three nights of agony, Omayra seemed strong but was suffering. According to Cristina Echandia, a journalist who kept records of the events, Omayra sang and had normal conversations with the people who were trying to help her. The little girl was thirsty and scared. On the third night, Omayra began hallucinating, saying that she did not want to be late for school. At some point she asked the people to leave her so they could rest.
Click to expand...

This is the type evidence that convinced me there was no God. For if there is an omnipotent God than truly the suffering is not needed.
 
yossarian22

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
If there is a god, it is probably stupider then one could possibly imagine.

The idea of god is, however, supported to the dilbert principle:- companies deal with stupid people by moving them to the area where they can do least damage- management.
 
Runt

Runt

Well-Known Member
Mike182 said:
true, but if we are talking about an Omniscient force, maybe God saw something bigger than the leg? i don't know, i'm not God, but the phrase "God works in mysterious ways" comes to mind.
Click to expand...
Yes, I suppose that makes sense if you're not taking as a starting premise that the Bible is true.

But my criticism is directed more towards individuals who regard the Bible as literal truth. The "God works in mysterious ways" argument comes off as being a little ridiculous in such a case, because it boils down to: the Bible says all prayers will be answered, the Bible is true, God works in mysterious ways, and God's going to work in a mysterious way when an amputee prays for their arm or leg to regrow by not answering their prayer. (I suppose such a contradiction IS mysterious, but it also would seem to make the Bible false from a literalist point of view...)
 
M

may

Well-Known Member
Now is NOT the time for physical healing to take place, now is the time for spiritual healing to take place , make no mistake about it ,the PROMISES of God will come to be. and the promises of God are these ,
IMAGINE the eyes of the blind seeing, the ears of the deaf hearing every sound, the tongue of the speechless singing out with joy, and the feet of the lame being firm and able to walk about! i am not talking about breakthroughs in medical science, but about the results of God’s own intervention in behalf of mankind. The Bible foretells: "At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness." (Isaiah 35:5, 6) nothing is impossible with God , Jesus showed on a small scale how with power from God many miricals can happen . even bringing people back from the dead . yes great things are ahead .
Isaiah 33:24 states concerning the future health of God-fearing humans: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.
Similarly, Revelation 21:4 promises: "[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things [today’s trials and suffering] have passed away."
No matter what affliction people suffered, Jesus cured them painlessly, without delay, and without cost.
How did the people respond? Matthew’s eyewitness account says "The crowd felt amazement as they saw the dumb speaking and the lame walking and the blind seeing, and they glorified the God of Israel."—Matthew 15:30, 31.
Many physically healthy people today are unhappy.
They are, in effect, spiritually disabled
a far more serious condition in God’s eyes than a physical disability.
On the other hand, many who are physically disabled,
live happy, fulfilling lives. Why? Because they are spiritually sound and are energized with a sure hope based on the Bible.
 
Ozzie

Ozzie

Well-Known Member
Runt said:
:biglaugh:

There's a website floating around somewhere on the Internet about this topic. No matter how much we pray, no matter how fervently we pray, no matter how saintly the person who prays may be, God never has and most likely never will restore an amputee's limb. Never.

So much for the efficacy of prayer...
Click to expand...
Phantom limb sensation is available free without prayer.
 
L

LogDog

Active Member
may said:
Now is NOT the time for physical healing to take place, now is the time for spiritual healing to take place , make no mistake about it ,the PROMISES of God will come to be. and the promises of God are these ,
IMAGINE the eyes of the blind seeing, the ears of the deaf hearing every sound, the tongue of the speechless singing out with joy, and the feet of the lame being firm and able to walk about! i am not talking about breakthroughs in medical science, but about the results of God’s own intervention in behalf of mankind. The Bible foretells: "At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness." (Isaiah 35:5, 6) nothing is impossible with God , Jesus showed on a small scale how with power from God many miricals can happen . even bringing people back from the dead . yes great things are ahead .
Isaiah 33:24 states concerning the future health of God-fearing humans: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.
Similarly, Revelation 21:4 promises: "[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things [today’s trials and suffering] have passed away."
No matter what affliction people suffered, Jesus cured them painlessly, without delay, and without cost.
How did the people respond? Matthew’s eyewitness account says "The crowd felt amazement as they saw the dumb speaking and the lame walking and the blind seeing, and they glorified the God of Israel."—Matthew 15:30, 31.
Many physically healthy people today are unhappy.
They are, in effect, spiritually disabled
a far more serious condition in God’s eyes than a physical disability.
On the other hand, many who are physically disabled,
live happy, fulfilling lives. Why? Because they are spiritually sound and are energized with a sure hope based on the Bible.
Click to expand...

Why can’t your god multi-task? I mean, come on. What kind of god can’t rub it’s belly and pat it’s head at the same time? Allow me to offer up another rationalization for your gods inability to do two things at once. He doesn’t exist. The stories in your ancient book of “Truth” are far from it. It’s writers, although creative, were presumptive, wishful thinkers, who fabricated fantasy rather than document reality. They embellished the “Truth” to serve an agenda.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
LogDog said:
Why can’t your god multi-task? I mean, come on. What kind of god can’t rub it’s belly and pat it’s head at the same time? Allow me to offer up another rationalization for your gods inability to do two things at once. He doesn’t exist. The stories in your ancient book of “Truth” are far from it. It’s writers, although creative, were presumptive, wishful thinkers, who fabricated fantasy rather than document reality. They embellished the “Truth” to serve an agenda.
Click to expand...
They designed a theology to speak to a truth that they knew was greater than themselves. The "reality" they document is from that theological perspective, not from factual data. It's geschichte, my friend, not a news report.
 
L

LogDog

Active Member
sojourner said:
They designed a theology to speak to a truth that they knew was greater than themselves. The "reality" they document is from that theological perspective, not from factual data. It's geschichte, my friend, not a news report.
Click to expand...

When you say they spoke to a truth that they knew was greater than themselves indicates a perception based on fact.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
LogDog said:
When you say they spoke to a truth that they knew was greater than themselves indicates a perception based on fact.
Click to expand...

No, not based on fact, based on rational thought, which does not need 'fact' to operate.

Regards,
Scott
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
As to the original post:

God discriminates on each of us. We are individuals. That discrimination is a chance at life in which we deal either positively or negatively with a series of physical and spiritual tests.

An amputation is but one physical test among a plentitude of such tests; blindness, deafness, chronic pain, paraplegia, quadriplegia, physical deformity, physical injury, mental retardation, mental illness, etc.., etc...

The loss of an arm is a physical test. So is anything else from a heart condition to a stroke, to illness . . . . . . . .

We all have them of one kind or another. To pick amputation as a single topic is kind of silly, at least an attempt at reductio ad absurdum==aparticularly clumsy attempt at that.

Regards,
Scott
 
L

LogDog

Active Member
Popeyesays said:
No, not based on fact, based on rational thought, which does not need 'fact' to operate.

Regards,
Scott
Click to expand...

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

Because we see no tangible evidence that god answers the prayers of amputees how is it not rational thinking to operate under the assumption that considering the above verses, the cosmic zombie, if it exists, is a liar?

Popeyesays said:
As to the original post:

God discriminates on each of us. We are individuals. That discrimination is a chance at life in which we deal either positively or negatively with a series of physical and spiritual tests.

An amputation is but one physical test among a plentitude of such tests; blindness, deafness, chronic pain, paraplegia, quadriplegia, physical deformity, physical injury, mental retardation, mental illness, etc.., etc...

The loss of an arm is a physical test. So is anything else from a heart condition to a stroke, to illness . . . . . . . .

We all have them of one kind or another. To pick amputation as a single topic is kind of silly, at least an attempt at reductio ad absurdum==aparticularly clumsy attempt at that.

Regards,
Scott
Click to expand...

We often hear of current day "miraculous healings" that your cosmic zombie lover allegedly performs on those believers suffering various ailments. He has no problem working his magic for someone with chronic headaches, but when it comes to the amputee, your god seems to be a no show. Strange.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
The purpose of prayer is not to have God give you gifts, it is to bring you in line with the Will of God and into communion with God.

God is not Santa Claus. It IS a silly notion to think He is.

Besides all healing comes from God whether it is a miracle or the skill of a physician or someone who designs quality prosthetics.

Regards.

Scott
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Here's an appropriate Healing Prayer:

O God, my God! I beg of Thee by the ocean of Thy healing, and by the splendors of the Daystar of Thy grace, and by Thy Name through which Thou didst subdue Thy servants, and by the pervasive power of Thy most exalted Word and the potency of Thy most august Pen, and by Thy mercy that hath preceded the creation of all who are in heaven and on earth, to purge me with the waters of Thy bounty from every affliction and disorder, and from all weakness and feebleness.
Thou seest, O my Lord, Thy suppliant waiting at the door of Thy bounty, and him who hath set his hopes on Thee clinging to the cord of Thy generosity. Deny him not, I beseech Thee, the things he seeketh from the ocean of Thy grace and the Daystar of Thy loving-kindness.
Powerful art Thou to do what pleaseth Thee. There is none other God save Thee, the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Generous.
- Bahá'u'lláh 86
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 85)
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
Runt said:
Yes, I suppose that makes sense if you're not taking as a starting premise that the Bible is true.

But my criticism is directed more towards individuals who regard the Bible as literal truth. The "God works in mysterious ways" argument comes off as being a little ridiculous in such a case, because it boils down to: the Bible says all prayers will be answered, the Bible is true, God works in mysterious ways, and God's going to work in a mysterious way when an amputee prays for their arm or leg to regrow by not answering their prayer. (I suppose such a contradiction IS mysterious, but it also would seem to make the Bible false from a literalist point of view...)
Click to expand...

agreed :)
 
L

LogDog

Active Member
Popeyesays said:
The purpose of prayer is not to have God give you gifts, it is to bring you in line with the Will of God and into communion with God.

God is not Santa Claus. It IS a silly notion to think He is.

Besides all healing comes from God whether it is a miracle or the skill of a physician or someone who designs quality prosthetics.

Regards.

Scott
Click to expand...

Rationalization #6 at http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/

Some believers say, "God does help amputees - he inspires scientists and engineers to create artificial limbs for them!" This logic is interesting, especially if we look at other examples. Take the case of smallpox. Millions upon millions of people died of smallpox until the vaccine was invented in the twentieth century. If God is the one who inspired the scientists, why did God wait until the twentieth century to do it? Why would God want to be the source of the massive suffering that smallpox caused prior to the twentieth century? And why do we pay the scientists, given that their work is simply God's inspiration?

I'm still not seeing any reason why your god will answer prayers for the chronic pain sufferer but won't do the same for the amputee.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top